coastakid Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 ^ Right info, but Dream World is not what that article is about. It is about Wonderland. Dream World is still operating while Wonderland has closed down... Well anyhow, thanks Montezooma for putting this all together. It really is very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastercrazed49 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Wow I had a total brainfart there. Sorry. Idk maybe it was the black Intamin Drop Tower that threw me off and got it into my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Fox Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Awesome thread! Anyone else notice the Indiana Jones EMVs in the Ride Trade catalog on page 4 of the thread? What year was that from? It looks like Disney stole it straight out of the catalog. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRapidsNerd Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Shane, great stuff! Yes, The Demon (now Zoomerang) is doing well at Alabama Adventure as of summer 2007. I think one or two of the Wonderland's wood coaster trains are running on Rampage, since one in particular had a red to yellow color change. Saw pics of what seemed like the same train sitting idle at Wonderland, and it was about the time AA bought Demon. EDIT: Posted a couple pics of Demon and a clip of the above mentioned Rampage train. The Demon, Alabama Adventure, Summer 2007 CLIP0019.zip Short unedited clip of Rampage train, Alabama Adventure, Summer 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 (edited) ARROW DEVELOPMENT Now this stuff goes way back...I think this may be the earliest that I started to collect stuff. I received this marketing packet from Arrow back in 1977. It shows the Knott's Corkscrew when it was set up for testing at the plant in Mountain View, CA. Also there is a some great stuff on the Steeplechase, Log Flumes and other rides that Arrow manufactured at that time. This was also when they had just began to market their latest development, the Suspended Coaster. You can see an early layout of what the ride could have been along with a diagram of the suspended coach. If you are an Arrow fan, read up, there is a lot of interesting information that is included in this post, amazing that it took six years to develop the Corkscrew. I also have more brochures coming from when Arrow went through its many transitions from Arrow Development to Arrow Huss to Arrow Dynamics. click here to see another Arrow Development marketing brochure that focuses on engineering, fabrication, and installation of coasters, particularly the Loch Ness Monster. click here to see the second ride packet Arrow released in 1980. click here to see the 1981 brochure from Arrow Huss. click here to see stuff from Arrow Dynamics. By 1979 Arrow already had an impressive amount of installations in parks around the World. an early layout of what Arrow invisioned for their suspended coaster. Obviously Arrow was licensed by Mack for some rides. Sorry, I got a little creative with some colors on this one...hey I was 11 at the time. Before coasters most of Arrows business came from log flumes and car rides as you can see from the following brochures. The Steeplechase test track set up at the factory. Here is the first Corkscrew, the prototype from the factory, installed at Knott's Berry Farm. This is Knott's Corkscrew as it was installed at the Arrow plant in Mountain View, CA. The Flying Turns prototype as it was set up at the Mountain View, CA factory. Six Flags ordered a couple of these rides and actually removed the Big Bend at SFOT to make way for it. But when Arrow could not deliver a smooth reliable ride Six Flags canceled the orders and the ride was scrapped. The prototype corkscrew track section for the suspended coaster Edited September 27, 2011 by montezooma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I visited Australia's Wonderland in 96 and had a lot of fun. Shane you're totally right though about the park being like Canada's Wonderland. A bad woodie, a kiddie Woodie, a boomerang, random flats...but...Mmmm Space Probe 7 was amazing! At least when I was there with all of the effects, and employees really getting into their jobs it was quite the experience. I also remember the rapids being okay, and they had some really good fresh mini-donuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Does anyone know why this park closed? They advertise as being Australia's biggest theme park, that would be like Kings Island closing over here in the states. What is left of it now? Is it still there or has it been redeveloped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d34thstrik3 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Does anyone know why this park closed? They advertise as being Australia's biggest theme park, that would be like Kings Island closing over here in the states. What is left of it now? Is it still there or has it been redeveloped? Apparently it was unprofitable or at least that is what the company claimed (and blamed a number of things for downturn in guests). The park is now gone and is an industrial estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Shane, do you have a Arrow ride catalouge? That would be so cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Shane, do you have a Arrow ride catalouge? That would be so cool! I just posted an Arrow Ride Catalog on the previous page. Check it out near the bottom after Australia's Wonderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goliath513 Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Do you have anything from Manteca Waterslides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRapidsNerd Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Shane, once again, so glad you posted all this goodness, let alone gathered it over the years. There is just so much good info here and things that can really teach someone about the theme park industry. It's also a HUGE help to those of us who attempt to recreate particular attractions. The specifics, stats, layouts, and reference is such a gold mine. I know my models will benefit hugely from this info as apposed to the stuff I've scraped together over time. Thank you for all your time and effort with this. It's greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 I love that picture of the Turn of the Century. It was such a good ride before the Demon modification. I wonder if it was always Marriott's intent to put the loops in but Arrow had not perfected the 360 degree loop in 1975 so Marriott went with the simple design with the intent to modify once Arrow perfected the loop???? It seems that the loops fit in so perfectly once they were added. I mean the lift and drop where the perfect height for the train to make it thru two loops and then to make it up to the MCBR and then complete the course. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 That seems like a highly likely scenario as I doubt arrow would have been able to tailor the loops in order for it to work in those early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 Here is another Marketing Brochure that Arrow Development put out in the late 70's. In this brochure they focus more on the engineering, fabrication and installation capabilities rather than the product line. You can see construction of the Loch Ness Monster from start to finish. Also an interesting find, if you look at the photo, left side middle, that shows an overview of the plant in Mountain View, CA you can see the prototype of the Suspended Coaster. And right below it you can see the footings for the station where the prototype of the Launched Loop was set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP Psyclone Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Loving the Arrow stuff, Shane. I always wondered why Arrow relocated to Utah, but I guess it was to consolidate with their steel fabrication. Nice seeing something about Busch Gardens in Van Nuys, too. Oh, is that Ron Toomer in one of the pics? Excellent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 12, 2008 Author Share Posted January 12, 2008 WOW, good eye. I didn't catch that picture of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Wait, so is Arrow now teamed up with S&S? And does anybody know what's left of the old Arrow plant? It would be cool to have an address to see it on Live Maps. Any info please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRapidsNerd Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 S&S Bought out Arrow, but what's left is still in Utah. It's basically an industrial park. Couldn' make out where the Pipeline coaster test stand was when I looked at the sight on google earth. You may have better luck, but there just isn't much there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroworldfan1 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 ^ Can you put a link to Live Local or Google Earth? And is Ron Toomer a part of S&S Power. And does he still design coasters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRapidsNerd Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 No prob. Google Earth pic below. Search "Arrow Dynamics" in Utah and it'll take you to Clearfield where this pic is. S&S Arrow in Clearfield Utah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP Psyclone Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Ron Toomer is retired, I'm sure. He's 78 years old this year. He hasn't designed a coaster in some time. I don't think he even had anything to do with X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 Arrow's plant was located in Clearfield, Utah which is about 20 minutes north of Salt Lake City. When it was bought out by S&S everything that was in Clearfield was relocated to S&S's factory in Logan, Utah, which is about 80 miles north of Salt Lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montezooma Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 Riding on the success of the Corkscrew and the Launched Loop, Arrow started promoting custom designed coasters, the first of which where the Loch Ness Monster, Orient Express and Gemini. Here is their updated product line brochure. From this ride packed it seems that the suspended coaster had just been sold to Kings Island. They have the track layout on the back side of the flyer but are still using photos from the test track at their plant. Nice hair ladies! In the caption it says "For double the thrills, and double the visual impact, a number of parks have opted to install interlocked launched loops." I wonder if there were others besides Great Adventure who were planning on this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebl Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Funny thing...looking at the track plans for the various rides has inspired me to turn on the ol' AutoCAD and recreate ones for rides I've ridden. That was the first time that I've seen a track plan for The Bat at Kings Island. Also, I went to Google Maps and entered Arrow's old address from their brochures (1555 Plymouth, Mountain View, CA) and discovered that it's just up U.S. 101 a couple of miles from Calfornia's Great America. No doubt I drove past there in the late '70s when operations were still there. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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