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Postby ebl » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:17 pm

Thanks again you guys for bringing all of these memorable coasters back.

With some of today's rolling stock, I often wonder whether more injuries are caused by the devices themselves than would occur without them. Overkill, in my opinion.

My mom claims that I rode the old Cyclone Racer at the Long Beach Pike, but I'd have remembered that. Same goes for the old Sea Serpent out at POP in Venice.

But there's one old coaster I rode back in the '70s---a junior woodie at Hart Park in Bakersfield---that I haven't seen anything about. Does anyone know about it? Stupid me---I didn't even think to take any pictures of it, and I had my camera the day I rode it. This was in 1976, as I recall.

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Postby cycamps » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:17 pm

That looks like it would have been a great ride...

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Postby ttd rox » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:20 pm

I believe this is what you mean EBL- http://www.rcdb.com/pd1697.htm It would be a great little woodie. Too bad it's gone now.

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Postby DenDen » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:19 pm

EBL wrote:With some of today's rolling stock, I often wonder whether more injuries are caused by the devices themselves than would occur without them. Overkill, in my opinion.


I'm so with you on this one. I miss the coaster trains of my youth. With the advent of PTC standard trains spreading in the 70's, it all fell apart from there. Trains made from massive wood, overstuffed leather seats, and just a leather strap with a leash-latch on it. Those were the days! Such comfortable rides. I hate to say it, but those Jack Rabbit trains are destined to become extinct soon. (Side note question: has it lost it's "classic status" since the brakes were replaced with the new magnetic ones?)

These trains today are so cheaply made. (In the quality sense of the word, I know they're not cheap!) The previous KW Racer trains were so awesome, the PTC's they have now just squeak and crackle, there's no body to them at all. Am I making sense?
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Postby SeaWhippet » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:38 pm

DenDen wrote:
These trains today are so cheaply made. (In the quality sense of the word, I know they're not cheap!) The previous KW Racer trains were so awesome, the PTC's they have now just squeak and crackle, there's no body to them at all. Am I making sense?


Yes, you're making sense. I remember those huge 4-bench trains on the Racer. I loved being able to slide from one side to the other (when riding alone) as the train dove into those graceful swooping turns. I miss them.

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Postby DenDen » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:50 pm

SeaWhippet wrote:Yes, you're making sense. I remember those huge 4-bench trains on the Racer. I loved being able to slide from one side to the other (when riding alone) as the train dove into those graceful swooping turns. I miss them.


I'm not sure if they are still there, but one of the old blue racer cars was on display in Station Square in the 80's. (Downtown Pittsburgh) Later on in the late 80's, I found the full Red/Yellow multi-colored trains rotting under the Ft. Pitt Bridge. (Also owned by Station Square.) There was a large carnival back there one year, and thats how I found them, there were bums (or carnies, ya never know) sleeping on them.
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Postby SeaWhippet » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:59 pm

DenDen wrote:
SeaWhippet wrote:Yes, you're making sense. I remember those huge 4-bench trains on the Racer. I loved being able to slide from one side to the other (when riding alone) as the train dove into those graceful swooping turns. I miss them.


I'm not sure if they are still there, but one of the old blue racer cars was on display in Station Square in the 80's. (Downtown Pittsburgh) Later on in the late 80's, I found the full Red/Yellow multi-colored trains rotting under the Ft. Pitt Bridge. (Also owned by Station Square.) There was a large carnival back there one year, and thats how I found them, there were bums (or carnies, ya never know) sleeping on them.


Bums sleeping on them?! :x That's bloody awful. Historic items like that deserve better. I have a photo of a Dips train sitting in front of a restaurant on PA Rt. 19. I'll have to dig that up.

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Postby DenDen » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:52 pm

SeaWhippet wrote:Bums sleeping on them?! :x That's bloody awful. Historic items like that deserve better. I have a photo of a Dips train sitting in front of a restaurant on PA Rt. 19. I'll have to dig that up.


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Postby SeaWhippet » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:56 pm

Part 2 of my West View Park post includes shots of the infamous Dips and Kiddie Dips. The former started life as a side-friction coaster in 1909-10. This Ed Vettel/T.M.Harton ride was outfitted with up-stop wheels and its wicked turnaround in 1929. Note the odd profile.

The Kiddie Dips (Vettel) came along in 1949 and lasted until WV closed in 1977.

The day we visited in 1980 was hot and humid. Two Dip trains rested in the close darkness of the dank tunnel just off the loading platform while another sat alone on the transfer track.

A Kiddie Dips train was stranded mid-course. A few of us pushed this train up an incline and rode it for at least 30 seconds. The Last Ride?

Lastly, the model is a representation of West View's proposed 4th woodie. This was also a Vettel design. As I said before ... if this ride had been built and drew the crowds the park expected, WV 'might' still be here today.



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Entrance to a Pittsburgh paradise ...
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The Dips
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Kiddie Dips station (Racing Whippet lift in background)
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Kiddie Dips lift
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Looking down from Racing Whippet on Kiddie Dips lift
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West View's 4th coaster -- that never happend :(
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Postby Nrthwnd » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:18 pm

^ The model looks interesting.

Has this been shown or offered as a coaster design suggestion to any current company that designs &/or builds them?

Or is it one with design flaws?

Just curious.
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