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Postby DATman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:14 pm

RRv is a pretty excellent ride so long as you're nuts don't get crunched. Standing up is pretty cool on that ride, but Mantis just sucked.

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Postby griffon » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:30 pm

Wow, Behemoth looks really nice, thanks for the photo update! I hope those drunken Canadian iron workers will make their way down to Virginia and start putting Dominator together soon. And maybe bring some snow with them =)

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Postby clewis4u » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:00 pm

BIG/HUGE/MASSIVE INFORMATION SESSION (or whatever you want to call it)!!!
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DantheMan wrote:Once again I was invited to take part in a tour of the Behemoth contruction site today (along with coasterboy), so that I could keep the CWMania members abreast of Behemoth development.

We met with Dineen Beaven and Brent Ellis again, this time in Brent's office to go over a list of questions compiled by all of our CWManiacs. Some of the highlights of the conversation:

  • The question everyone has been waiting for the answer to: the Drop Angle...initially in the planning stages of Behemoth, the first drop was to be 85 degrees. At some point this was changed to 75 degrees and due to the sheer number of agencies and persons involved in the project the data did not get corrected before the Behemoth website was launched. The delay in changing the data was due to needing confirmation from the appropriate parties. It is not expected that the change in drop angle will affect the public's perception of the ride.
  • There will be a test seat available at the ride entrance as well as an employee to assist guests in properly using the device
  • Spotlighting will be used to light up the ride structure at night. In addition, the lift hill will be illuminated by a set of chaser LED lights
  • The supports of the ride are not and will not be filled with sand
  • The queue area will be covered by 4 large sails designed to shade guests from the hot afternoon sun. A mist-fan system has been proposed and is likely to be added. Vending machines will be conveniently located in the centre of the queue
  • The new midway will be finished with interlocking paving stones, similar to those used throughout the park and the queue area is a concrete slab
  • The entrance to Behemoth will be highlighted by 8 individual letters spelling Behemoth, each 8 ft high, and suspended 15 ft in the air, located in a semi-circle near the queue line
  • The round element on the midway is a proposed medallion design of interlocking paving stones in front of the Behemoth sign
  • The ride exit will lead guests through the the photo booth / gift shop as they return to the midway, but guests can also bypass the building
  • The necessity for trims and G-forces of the ride will be solidified after testing has been completed
  • The ride will have an on-ride photo system (the location of the camera is yet to be determined) but there will definitely not be an on-ride video system
  • As mentioned before, the first train is set to arrive on March 1st and the others are expected to follow in mid-March. Testing will begin when the trains have been mounted on the track and the weather is co-operative. A pull-through will be done before the train is allowed to travel of its own power to ensure proper clearance at all points throughout the ride.
  • Grouting is being completed on each of the structure's footers and is around 45% complete. This process involves inserting concrete in between each of the concrete piers and the bottom of the supports and letting it cure. Due to extremely cold termperatures we have been experiencing, heaters and enclosures are being used on the larger footers to ensure proper curing.
  • Rough portions of track have been sanded and smoothed out over the past few weeks
  • Alternative names were considered for Behemoth but cannot be disclosed as they may be used for future attractions
  • A Point of View video will be added to the Wonderland website later this year
  • Marketing will focus on Behemoth this year and will be heavier on the television side with a large commercial shoot occuring in May and airing starting in June

Brent showed us a copy of the plans for the midway expansion again and "coasterboy" has made a re-creation of those plans here for your viewing pleasure.

As you already know, the steel erection has been completed for some time now and work has turned to grouting the footers, sanding the track and finishing the station. The grouting consists of inserting concrete in between the concrete piers (footers) and holding it in place with wooden forms until it cures. Sanding is nearly complete on rough portions of the track.

While looking around the station platform, we were able to go inside the operator booth and I was able to take a couple of photos from that vantage point. I hope you enjoy them. :wink:

We walked almost the entire length of track and this beast covers a lot of ground! It is sure to be a satisfying ride for all guests. Even the second airtime hill (after the hairpin turn) towers over Italian Job, as you can see in couple of the photos. The presence of the ride is just phenomenal, as I'm sure anyone who's seen it up close would say as well.

The MCBR is still so high in the air that the spiral staircase seems to wind up out of sight. The helix down from there is steep and tight meaning it will really pick up some nice speed. The helix up will allow for some good speed into the final airtime hills as well.

The Behemoth midway is quickly taking shape. As Brent mentioned in the construction diary on Wonderland's website, the queue slab has been poured and switchbacks will be arced from the midway to the seat wall next to Kingswood, following the same curvature of Sledge Hammer. This area will be covered by 4 sails arranged in such a way as to block the afternoon sun and serviced by several vending machines in the centre.

The focal point of the midway will be the gigantic Behemoth letters. Each individual letter will reach a height of 15 ft and be 8 ft tall, so this will be a really noticeable feature. The area will be surfaced with paving stones common throughout the park and a medallion feature may be inset into the bricks in front of the Behemoth lettering. Guests will move from the switchback queue area to the Kingswood side of the station and climb a staricase to board Behemoth and will exit from the opposite side toward the photo booth.

Upon exiting down the stairs from the platform, guests will pass through the building where the on-ride photos can be viewed and also where Behemoth merchandise can be purchased. Anyone wishing to avoid this area can of course detour around it.

There may be future visits in store and we did discuss the possibility of setting up a CWMania event for May, which I will provide details about at a much later time. Thanks again to CWMania members for the questions, Coasterboy for his admirable notetaking skills, and thanks to Brent Ellis and Dineen Beaven for taking time out of their busy schedules to answer our questions and do the tour.

End of report

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Photos of the site tour are available at:

A video of the tour is available at:

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Postby Immelman » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:54 pm

Interesting...looks like its possible they won't use all those trims depending on how testing goes.

Toronto is pretty close to me, I wonder if its worth going this summer. The rest of their coasters look very uninspiring.

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Postby mightypotato » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:10 am

Immelman wrote:Interesting...looks like its possible they won't use all those trims depending on how testing goes.

Toronto is pretty close to me, I wonder if its worth going this summer. The rest of their coasters look very uninspiring.

You'd be correct. Vortex is the only other coaster there worth riding more than once. At least our flat ride collection is pretty good.
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Postby Groteslurf » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:20 am

Very interesting info.

We squeezed in a visit to CW on May 21 during our Usa trip.

^^ Indeed, if Behemoth wouldn't have been there, we wouldn't even have considered making the sidetrip to CW.

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Postby robbalvey » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:48 am

A great construction tour was given to the guys at cwmania with LOTS of great photos. Check out 300 photos and a video of this coaster here:

Here's a few preview pics for you:
Yup, the first drop is 75 degrees.
That turn around is TIGHT!
Some wackiness.
The snow is part of the theming.
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Postby thunder001 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:08 am

I look at these pictures and all I can think of is that the Aussie parks need to get some longer rides.

If the rumors are true, it might be soon.....I can hope can't I?
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Postby Purplepills » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:37 am

^I look at those pics and wish the UK had more rides like that! Or at least some good rides closer to me. Or cheaper fuel. I'll accept any of the above ;)

Behemoth is looking great, I'll probably never ride it but I really like the colour scheme, and I love the look of the helix and turnaround.
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Postby deano » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:44 am

I'd love to ride it with all the snow everywhere like has at the moment, it looks superb, (but then again, i've never seen snow before, so my judgement may be a bit off).

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