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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Hilltopper39 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Remember that the park is right across the street from the airport so any type of Casino they build will have to be under 160ish feet tall or so.

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Postby mudvayneimn » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:45 pm

That depends on what section of the property we're discussing. The very front section of the park has a height limit of around 180 ft. The further back you go, the lower the height limit is; it's actually quite wonky. By the way page 90 indicates the park (in the slim chance it does open again) would install a family wooden coaster, and a 135 ft "Vertical Swing". There are also photos of the new water rides they would like to install.

*Edit: Here is a screenshot that shows the plans for new additions. It looks like the family wooden coaster would be placed in the Greezed Lightnin' and old RRE spot.
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Hilltopper39 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:00 pm

I just briefly read through the report and it is very detailed, and seems to be reasonable. I still don't have a lot of hope of the place opening again, but if it does this plan seems like a good place to start.

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Postby thestripedtaco » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:54 pm

I was surprised to see that all the new proposed water slides would go into Chang's old spot. It makes sense with the water park right there but I just thought that was where Chang's replacement was going to go.

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Postby 3Mutts » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:10 pm

Nice plans hope it happens. (It most likely will not happen, get ready to say hello to a new casino! :evil:)
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby ginzo » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:26 pm

Hilltopper39 wrote:There is a lot of money that gets spent every year at casinos just over the border in Cincinnati and Indiana that could very well stay in KY if the casino's get legalized, and having a giant shiny new facility on state owned property seems like a perfect way to take that first step.


The casino here in Cincinnati is still under construction. But we're definitely gearing up to take money from Kentuckians and take back some of the money that is leaking across the border into Indiana.

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Postby Hilltopper39 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:46 pm

^now that you mention it I guess what I considered "Cincinnati" casinos were actually casinos near Cicny in Indiana. After The Horseshoe in Cincy opens (which looks amazing by the way) and is successful I'd bet Kentucky follows suit shortly there after.

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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby jedimaster1227 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:30 am

http://www.whas11.com/news/local/Fmr-Kentucky-Kingdom-owner-expected-to-reveal-reopening-plan-Monday-175229091.html

State officials involved with the review of a proposal to reopen Kentucky Kingdom are "doubtful" it can be accepted in its present form, sources tell WHAS11 News.

An investment group led by developer Ed Hart released its official proposal on Monday. It calls for a $120 million investment over a 50 year lease. The investors propose a $120 million investment in Kentucky Kingdom, $50 million in the first two years to double the size of the water park and to restore the park's 100 buildings (all but one ride). The Greezed Lightning roller coaster would be removed but a new $15 million roller coaster would be built.

"It's about time that the state stop looking at Kentucky Kingdom as a problem and started looking at it as an opportunity," Hart said at a news conference, flanked by fellow investors Ed Glasscock and Mary Moseley.

Sources familiar with the review of the Kentucky Kingdom Redevelopment Company proposal describe three main concerns:
    1. By using Kentucky Kingdom rides as collateral for a private loan, the state would still be creating a debt.
    2. Concerns about the timing of the park reopening
    3. Concerns that the proposal would jeopardize possible future uses of the Kentucky Kingdom property.
Hart did not comment when apprised of the concerns.

The governor's office had no comment on Hart's new proposal -- but Governor Steve Beshear has indicated he is not willing to risk putting the state on the hook for the financing of Kentucky Kingdom.

Hart's proposal, however, cites a Kentucky law (KRS 56.515 Leaseback agreement for fairgrounds improvements) that specifically allows private investors to use State Fair Board property to secure private financing.

Sources tell WHAS11 that the state wants to reopen Kentucky Kingdom if it can, but the main concerns would have to be addressed.

"This is exactly what they wanted and we're prepared to deliver," Hart said at the news conference.

Hart believes his group may have submitted the only proposal.

"The Commonwealth is evaluating the documents received and will be taking the appropriate subsequent steps very soon," said Pamela Trautner, a spokeswoman for the Finance & Administration Cabinet.

"If there aren't any other proposals, I would hope we would get a phone call from the state to say let's sit down and discuss this," Hart said.

Hart's proposal encourages a response by November 1 to facilitate the investment plan and an opening date of May, 2014.

The state has not been enthusiastic about Ed Hart's proposals in the past.

He has a pending lawsuit against the state. Kentucky dropped Hart for a Holiday World proposal that ultimately collapsed and refused to consider his new proposal this year. Hart's business partner, Bruce Lunsford, is a political rival of Governor Steve Beshear. The governor has suggested that it may be time to find a better purpose for the property.

"I can't read minds," Hart said. "and I'm not going to speculate what the state officials are thinking. I can say it's been very frustrating that three years has gone by and here we are."

Yet investor and civic leader Ed Glasscock is still optimistic.

"I think that the governor and the state officials have decided to do it the right way, send out an RFP, be very thoughtful about it in protecting the interests of taxpayers and we're trying to be responsive," Glasscock said. "We're not trying to rush anybody."

"I think that the elected officials have been working on a number of different projects," Glasscock told WHAS11. "The governor has been working on gaming and a lot of economic development projects and this doesn't have as high a priority with him as it does with us. So we think now that the administration will be more focused on it on light of the proposal that we've made."
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Midgetman82 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:15 am

In a park like this, a coaster with a free fall drop sounds odd... Then again, we did have a 164ft tall stand up coaster. And I'm not surprised in the least bit about Greezed Lightnin. I've had my fair share of runs on it, so may it rest in peace.
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby 11slataus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:03 am

^ Greezed Lightnin' may still stand a chance of being moved. A small one; but it's not dead yet. And I agree a free-fall drop coaster does seem very weird for KK.

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