Coney Island (Luna Park) Development Discussion Thread

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby Zack44 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:44 pm

This development is kind of interesting. I''m hoping to go back to Coney Island this year and if the refurbishment starts very soon, I'll be looking forward to a more smooth ride on the Cyclone. Here's hoping! :)
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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby OISU8P » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:48 pm

I did not want to hijack the thread to a focus on ACE and apologize for that. I also did not want to create whole thread around their requirements. However, this has been very interesting to find out some of the requirements. This explains why Racer at Kennywood is not one, since it has seat dividers (as Larrygator pointed out for requirements). I am curious on what ACE considers seat belts though. The last time I went to Kennywood I thought the park added these to the trains for Jack Rabbit during a refurbishment a few years back. I believe the ACE classic status is still there for that coaster. I could be completely wrong on that though, maybe I should just look it up on their site. :?r
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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby Myself » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:28 pm

The Jack Rabbit always had a seat belt of some sort. The ones they had before replacing with the current ones were leather belt sort of restraints, if that makes sense.

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby kidcoaster 2 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:32 pm

OISU8P wrote:I did not want to hijack the thread to a focus on ACE and apologize for that. I also did not want to create whole thread around their requirements. However, this has been very interesting to find out some of the requirements. This explains why Racer at Kennywood is not one, since it has seat dividers (as Larrygator pointed out for requirements). I am curious on what ACE considers seat belts though. The last time I went to Kennywood I thought the park added these to the trains for Jack Rabbit during a refurbishment a few years back. I believe the ACE classic status is still there for that coaster. I could be completely wrong on that though, maybe I should just look it up on their site. :?r


Here is the requirements to be an ACE Classic to clear things up.

The concept of ACE Coaster Classics was developed during a period when changes in the design, equipping, and operation of wood coasters threatened to erase these time-honored experiences and rituals. ACE awards ACE Coaster Classic status to coasters that still adhere to these principles that allow riders to safely experience the thrill of the classic wooden roller coaster ride. To be eligible for ACE Coaster Classic status, the coaster must meet the following criteria:

The coaster must use traditional lap bars that allow riders to experience so-called airtime, or negative G's (that sensation of floating above the seat!!). Individual, ratcheting lap bars do not meet this requirement.
ACE Coaster Classics allow riders to slide from side-to-side. A coaster with any restraint or device that restricts this freedom is not eligible for ACE Coaster Classic status.
ACE Coaster Classics allow riders to view the upcoming drops and thrills. Coasters with headrests on every seat, or the majority of seats, restrict this view and are not eligible for ACE Coaster Classic status.
On ACE Coaster Classics, riders are free to choose where they sit. Some parks' operating procedures assign seating; these coasters are not eligible for ACE Coaster Classic status.

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby David H » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:45 am

I don't see why everyone here is so concerned about what a different club chooses to recognize as one of THEIR classics, unless you're a member of the club. They've very clearly laid out what the requirements are to run in a classic way. That was how classic coasters ran. They didn't have ratcheting lapbars and seat dividers and headrests and assigned seating. When a coaster is run in that way, then ACE awards it its "ACE Coaster Classic" status. When it's modified to longer run that way, it loses that status. That may or may not matter to you or to the parks. But those are the rules and they're pretty simple.

On a side note, it's not specifically seat belts that disqualify a coaster from the Classic status. It's INDIVIDUAL seat belts, for the same reason that seat dividers also disqualify it. Because it doesn't "allow riders to slide from side-to-side".

One thing should be clear though, and that's that no coaster HAS to be modified in such a way to lose its status. The parks CHOOSE to modify them that way. it is completely possible AND safe to run them in that manner. And that's exactly what the club is trying to highlight with that award. Some of those criteria I care more about than others. (I personally really don't care about headrests at all.) But they're trying to make the point that coaster can be run this way. And the fact that some coasters still ARE run this way safely and without incident proves that point. And back to the topic of this thread, I think that it's PRECISELY situations like this which are why they have this status. To let parks know when they are considering changes and modernization of older coasters that it IS possible for them to safely run in the "classic" style.

This is a point that I really wanted to make in this thread, because I keep hearing here that GCI or Zamperla may "HAVE TO" make certain changes. And that's absolutely not true. They may CHOOSE to make certain changes for varying reasons, including to save money on maintenance or insurance. But they absolutely do NOT have to. That's not to say that any particular changes will necessarily be good or bad. Look no further than the New Texas Giant for something I didn't think I was going to be too happy about, which turned out to be a great improvement.

ACE also understands that there are a lot of worthy coasters that aren't run in that fashion, including a bunch of noteworthy steel coasters. That's why they created the "ACE Coaster Landmark" status. That sounds like exactly what people are talking about when they say that the Cyclone deserves a "classic" status. Different terms for different criteria. Different awards for different purposes.

And I'm sure that if the Cyclone were to lose the classic status due to changes to the trains, then it would likely get the landmark status. I don't think there's any doubt that the Cyclone is a coaster landmark, as well as an American landmark!

And even if a coaster doesn't merit one or the other award, ACE still supports the coasters and parks. The Williams Grove Cyclone is a great example to use because far more importantly than any award or plaque, the group helped to raise a lot of money in donations and grants to help reopen the coaster and keep it running.

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby Ewan » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:28 am

I rode the Cyclone in 1999 and I loved every second of it. It was wild, rough but exciting. I dont really care about it losing it ACE status, to me the most important thing is the fact that it is being properly maintained to ensure that it will run for years to come. I am a bit concerned over the re-profiling aspect of the re-tracking. When you consider that this was designed and built before computers it leaves some of the modern woodies standing. Does anyone know where this is happening?
I do remember my partner commenting on the fact that the car we rode on seemed to be held together by string ( this added to the thrill element to me lol, not much for him though, coward!). The cars were comfortable due the padding and some of the modern designs aren't so. Well done for Zamperla for recognising that this coaster is not only important to Coney Island but to history.
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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:17 am

I rode this ride a few years ago and it was an absolutely terrible ride. I wanted to like it and excuse it's roughness because it's such a classic coaster but I was wishing for it to be over for the entire ride.

I really don't care if ACE thinks the coaster is a classic or not. If GCI can take a coaster that sucks and make it great again, then I'm all for it. I'd rather have a great coaster than a terrible coaster that has a plaque in front of it.

Some people may disagree with me, but in my opinion it sucks in it's current form.

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby HighRoller » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:01 am

David H wrote:On a side note, it's not specifically seat belts that disqualify a coaster from the Classic status. It's INDIVIDUAL seat belts, for the same reason that seat dividers also disqualify it. Because it doesn't "allow riders to slide from side-to-side".


Amplifying though: The High Roller at ValleyFair! has been modified to include seatbelts - that stretch the entire width of the bench (one seatbelt per row). It keeps the insurance companies happy, and allows the coaster to maintain its "Classic" status.

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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby texcoaster » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:50 am

I rode the Cyclone last year and found it to be re-ridable up to a point. I think I took about 6 trips on it that day.

I rode it previously around 2005 or so and there was some sort of NYPD event going on at Coney and for most of my rides that day, I was the only person on the train not in a police uniform. Having learned on early rides not to sit over the wheels, I was in the next-to-last seat on a ride when a guy cop in the back seat told a lady cop next to him, "I'm surprised you'd ride wit me back here." She said, "why wouldn't I?"
He replied, "There's only two types of person what rides in the back seat of the Cyclone: masochists and those dat don't know no bettah."
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Re: Coney Island Development Discussion Thread

Postby jedimaster1227 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:56 pm

The Coney Island Development Corporation has sent us a notice that Coney Island is hiring new employees for the 2012 summer season!

Coney Island is hiring for the 2012 summer season! Central Amusement International (CAI) and Nathan’s Famous, together with the Coney Island Development Corporation (CIDC) are recruiting for seasonal positions.

Positions are available with CAI at Luna Park and Scream Zone and with Nathan’s Famous restaurants for various positions including:

  • Ride and Game Operators
  • Food and Beverage Service
  • Park Service
  • Customer Service/Retail Sales
  • Ticket Sales Associates/Cashiers
This is a unique opportunity to become a part of “The One and Only Coney” by joining the team of dedicated employees that make Coney Island an entertainment destination worldwide. We are looking for courteous, reliable and enthusiastic individuals with flexible schedules.

Luna Park, Scream Zone and Nathan’s Famous use this recruiting process to find their employees each summer. The process consists of a screening event to review your credentials for any of the open positions available. If you are qualified, you will be referred for an interview.

If you are interested in landing one of these great positions and having one of the best summer jobs ever, please attend one of the upcoming screening events.

  • Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:00pm-6:00pm MCU Park 1904 Surf Avenue
  • Thursday, March 1, 2012 12:00pm-6:00pm MCU Park 1904 Surf Avenue

In order to meet the eligibility requirements, you must attend one of the screening events and be at least 18 years of age.

For more information on these opportunities, see the event flyer. Additional information and job descriptions are also available on the CIDC website.

We look forward to seeing you there!

Sincerely,
Coney Island Development Corporation
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