Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK, KK) Discussion Thread

P. 968 - Hallowscream to return this year
Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 3 guests
Discuss theme parks, roller coasters, and mules!
Why do I still have a donkey title???
User avatar
 
Posts: 3431
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Jacksonville,FL
Gender: Male

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Hilltopper39 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:35 pm

XYZ wrote:I knew this was coming. Though, it is sad for those who live in Kentucky have to drive to Holiday World & Kings Island for another year.

I lived in Kentucky for 24 years and still drove to Holiday World and Kings Island every year, which is part of the reason I was never very optimistic for Kentucky Kingdom reopening. It's a decent park but no where near the level of quality of Holiday World (+/-1 hour away) or the ride selection of Kings Island (+/-1.5 hours away). If that place is going to succeed if they ever do reopen it they are going to have to put in some unique new attractions (dry and wet) and improve the overall level of quality customer service/operations, just my opinion.

I Guess Donkeys Are Okay
 
Posts: 29
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Louisville, KY
Gender: Male
Age: 35

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby tylercolby83 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:47 pm

This was just posted to WFPL's website:

The plan to expand, refurbish and re-open Kentucky Kingdom has hit another snag.

Talks have broken down between the state Fair Board and businessman Ed Hart’s Kentucky Kingdom Redevelopment Company.

Fair Board president Harold Workman says the two sides couldn’t agree on where certain revenue streams should be steered, but declined to elaborate. The board will now look for other operators.

“Obviously the news is out about the plight of the kingdom and I’m sure companies will know that we are getting ready to seek operators,” says Workman, who doesn’t believe it will be difficult to find another partner.

“There are operators that are out there. We had inquiries before from five or six companies, so we would anticipate there might be some interest from those,” he says.

Hart previously owned the park and had hoped to use a combination of city, state and private dollars to double the park’s size and re-open it two phases beginning in 2013.

“We just received a copy of the statement provided to the media from Mr. Harold Workman of the Kentucky State Fair Board,” says the KKRC in a statement released this afternoon. “This is the first contact we have had with Mr. Workman since Ed Hart presented to a meeting of the Fair Board last week. Apparently, the Kentucky State Fair Board has decided not to pursue an agreement with Mr. Hart and his company.”

Hart and the Fair Board had been in talks since shortly after Six Flags gave up its lease on the park in February of last year. Workman says he believes 2013 is still a realistic goal for re-opening the park.

A spokesman for the mayor says it’s in the city’s best interest for the park to re-open, but Metro Government has not been at the table in recent talks.

Is my pee supposed to be this color?
User avatar
 
Posts: 2786
Joined: 29 Nov 2009
Location: Where the grass is blue.
Gender: Male
Age: 25

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Midgetman82 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:40 pm

:x My hopes for this park is finally starting to fade. Where's Cedar Fair when you need em'.

I suggest they forget the expansion. The park just needs to be cleaned up and re-opened. Let things get normal and then see where it can head afterwards.
So long, and thanks for all the fish! | Photography Blog |Flickr | @WaterSlideDB | Coaster Count

Donkeys are my way of life!
User avatar
 
Posts: 548
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Jeffersonville, IN
Gender: Male
Age: 51

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby ratdogg68 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:30 pm

The State may as well sell off what rides are worth saving and use the land for parking. There is a height restriction and not much room for expansion, for the park to be a regional destination. I loved Ky Kingdom and worked there for 5 seasons but it wasn't the right location for a growing Theme Park to thrive.

Holiday World should buy The Giant Wheel, Bluebeards Bounty, Breakdance, Roller Skater, Himalaya, Enterprise and Deluge for 2013 for a major expansion. All the rest of the rides could go to other buyers or the scrap heap.
Let the Riding begin

Image

Why do I still have a donkey title???
User avatar
 
Posts: 2723
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
Age: 34

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby beatle11 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:19 pm

Some more info...

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110930/NEWS01/309300079/Fair-board-ends-Kentucky-Kingdom-talks-Hart

Fair board ends Kentucky Kingdom talks with Hart

The Kentucky State Fair Board announced Friday that it has ended all talks with Ed Hart about the businessman’s effort to reopen the Kentucky Kingdom amusement park.

Harold Workman, fair board president, said in an interview that Hart is out of the picture as a potential Kentucky Kingdom operator.

But he said reopening the park remains the fair board’s top priority and that the board may ask the 2012 state legislature to appropriate money to help reopen the park.

Workman expressed confidence that other groups are interested in operating the park and one or more of them will soon be sought out to discuss the prospects of their running the park that was abandoned by Six Flags amid a bankruptcy filing after the 2009 season.

“We absolutely will get the park open,” Workman pledged, declining to guess when. Friday was the deadline for extending a tentative agreement that Hart had with the fair board granting him rights to sign a lease to operate the park. The fair board granted Hart the rights initially in mid-2010.“

We could not settle on lease terms that would be fiscally responsible for the fair board and financially viable for (Hart’s Kentucky Kingdom Redevelopment Co.) . The fair board remains fully committed to opening the park, and will continue to pursue options to make it a reality,” Workman said in a statement.

Hart’s spokeswoman, Susan McNeese Lynch, said Friday that there hadn’t been any contact with Workman since last week.

“Apparently, the Kentucky State Fair Board has decided not to pursue an agreement with Mr. Hart and his company."

Lynch said she could not confirm that there might not be any further discussions between Hart and the fair board. She declined further comment. Hart’s receptionist said Friday that Hart was not in the office and was not available for comment.

The Al J. Schneider Cos., which owns the Crowne Plaza hotel near the fairgrounds and also the Galt House and extensive other property, had said it would guarantee up to $20 million of any debt Hart might incur. Mary Moseley, head of the Schneider organization, declined comment Friday on the fair board negotations.

The city at one point last spring asked substantial concessions in offering to issue up to $17.5 million to aid Kentucky Kingdom’s reopening. But more recently the Fischer administration had indicated it had not agreed to Hart’s request for the city to cover $300,000 a year of his debt.

Fischer spokesman Chris Poynter termed the breaking off of the talks with Hart unfortunate. “We all wanted to get a deal done,” he said.
Image

2 + 2 = donkey!
User avatar
 
Posts: 472
Joined: 10 Jan 2010
Location: Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
Age: 23

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby liftsifter » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:35 pm

Nice going Workman, you just lost the ONE person who still cared about operating KK.

Pave Kentucky Kingdom. :br
Image

"It's not small, but it is very 'average.'"
User avatar
 
Posts: 10819
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
Location: Northridge, CA
Gender: Male
Age: 34

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Jew » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:14 pm

The city at one point last spring asked substantial concessions in offering to issue up to $17.5 million to aid Kentucky Kingdom’s reopening. But more recently the Fischer administration had indicated it had not agreed to Hart’s request for the city to cover $300,000 a year of his debt.


This is all you need to know about why Ed Hart was never serious about reopening the park.

The Pony Express can't find my teepee
User avatar
 
Posts: 4100
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
Location: I am Texas
Gender: None specified

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby chadster » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:05 pm

Theme Parks and Water Parks just don't mix well with Fairboards. Just ask Tulsa. No one is every happy, the park owner NEVER owns the land and dependant on what the lease agreement is, the park could be kicked at any moment, operator booted, or rent raised to levels that leaves no room for profit. KK is on a screwed up foot print which really doesn't help any. Now that the rides have sat, and three of them for a lot longer than the park has been closed, some rides removed, and the ones left really not all that good, the question of why comes to mind. Why bother. The local economy is probably the best reason to bother, but seriously, things need to be rock solid with the fairboard for anyone else to even think about attempting a raising of the dead. And from everything I've read/scene, it seems the fairboard while they say they want it to re-open, seem like they want to micro manage the deal.

I see one of two situations being beneficial. The first, the fairboard hires a management company and provides the backing for new rides\attractions with the management company getting a % of the gate revenue with a bonus for profitability. The second would be to sell outright the land, rides, buildings, and IP with the understanding that the fairgrounds would retain and control the parking and parking fees.

This public/private partnership just isn't working. Until then, it will sit.

I Guess Donkeys Are Okay
 
Posts: 27
Joined: 12 Sep 2011
Gender: None specified

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Astros » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:47 pm

Sorry for the late bump,but its like this park will be history before we know it! This is starting to turn into a SFNO Mess.
Do I like theme parks or Donkeys? I think RCT3 Beats those.

Is my pee supposed to be this color?
User avatar
 
Posts: 2786
Joined: 29 Nov 2009
Location: Where the grass is blue.
Gender: Male
Age: 25

Re: The Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Midgetman82 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:35 pm

I don't know if anyone caught this, but:

Copied from Business First Magazine about Ed Hart and KKRC LLC. Suing Kentucky:
Louisville businessman Ed Hart’s Kentucky Kingdom Redevelopment Co. LLC is suing the state of Kentucky in an attempt to recoup $1.4 million that it said it spent as part of a failed effort to reopen the amusement park at the Kentucky Exposition Center.
The suit was filed Oct. 20 in Franklin Circuit Court in Frankfort. The defendants are the Kentucky Tourism, Arts and Heritage Cabinet and the Kentucky State Fair Board.

The fair board, which is part of the cabinet, manages the state-owned Kentucky Exposition Center.
The state had not responded to Kentucky Kingdom Redevelopment’s filing before Business First’s press ...

http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/print-edition/2011/11/04/company-sues-state-to-recoup-kentucky.html
So long, and thanks for all the fish! | Photography Blog |Flickr | @WaterSlideDB | Coaster Count

PreviousNext

Return to Theme Parks, Roller Coasters, & Donkeys!

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 3 guests

These pages are in no way affiliated with nor endorsed by SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, Cedar Fair, Legoland, Merlin Entertainment,
Blackstone, Tussaud's Group, Six Flags, Universal Theme Parks, the Walt Disney Company or any other theme park company.

All onride photos and videos on this website were taken with the permission of the park by a professional ride photographer.
For yours  and others safety, please do not attempt to take photos or videos at parks without proper permission.

Disclaimer!  You need a sense of humor to view our site, 
if you don't have a sense of humor, or are easily offended, please turn back now!
Most of the content on this forum is suitable for all ages. HOWEVER!
There may be some content that would be considered rated "PG-13."
Theme Park Review is NOT recommended for ages under 13 years of age.

cron