Real wrote:I just wouldnt be able to classify it as a wooden coaster, it would still be steel to me (Balder that is). I never had any doubts it that it looked like a stellar ride, it just doesnt have enough wooden characteristics for me anyways to be a wooden coaster.
But even classified as a steel I could see it being right up there with any great steel coaster you could find because of the insane layout.
Ok Real, with all due respect, because I love your NL work, BUT...... I just have to comment about this. How could you NOT count a wooden coaster as a wooden coaster???
You guys missed my point. Its not the supports, as you know, that makes a wooden ride wooden. Its the planks its built on. Hence why rides such as Gemini are steel coasters, duh.
I started to really examine the Intamin Plug n Play prefabricated track and it doesnt have the 8 layered wood like all other woodies do. Its a trait that has been in almost every single wooden coaster to date.
When I look at this picture, I dont see the 8 layer wood.
http://www.orlandofun.de/bilder/balder/ ... 80x580.jpg
http://www.orlandofun.de/bilder/balder/ ... 05x580.jpg
(in second photo that looks to be a bunch of laminated peices - like plywood just much stronger)
In respect to it actually still being made of wood, it should just be in its own class. Its hard for me to classify it as a true wooden coaster when the very essense of a wooden coaster, the rails on which its built, dont coincide with what makes a wooden coaster a wooden coaster.
Sure, its got more wood than the CCI Steel structure rides, but they still run on the 8 layer rails. Surely someone whos been into coasters as long as you knows that. They have built wooden coasters that way for almost a century (maybe longer)
Also, roughness has nothing to do with it at all. Heck, Thunderhead was and probably still is the most smooth wooden coaster I have ever been on. I never felt so much as a shimmy on the entire ride no matter where I sat. Their engineering is some of the best in the world when it comes to wooden coasters - mostly because they last a long time.
So I wasnt exactly kidding. However, Im not basing it on the feel of the ride but more the make up of the ride. I base it on the construction of the ride - just like you base the powered coaster stuff on the construction - what makes the ride what it is.
Does any of this negate the fact that Balder is probably one of the craziest rides in the world? NO. The very first time I ever saw the pictures on coastersandmore.de I was amazed at the compact layout and the first video I saw from its media day proved it hauled some serious butt.
I just have a hard time calling it a wooden coaster when the very essense of a wooden coaster, thaose hand laid 8 layer rails, are non-existant.
If you feel the need to continue to rant, go ahead. Obviously I cant stop you but I see no point in going any further. No more can be said than whats already been said. Plus it shouldnt matter what I classify it as, as long as the ride is good. Frankly I dont even get into the analysis anymore like I used too. I just ride it and enjoy it. I only analyze when provoked.
So see Robb, there was more to it than meets the eye.