Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby boldikus » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 am

Projektion wrote:
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Projektion wrote:^ To be honest, I don't feel that it's completely unwarrented, there was a lot of potential for what could have been done to White Cyclone and it feels a little squandered.

Such as?

My problem with Hakugei is just that most of the elements seem so stretched out (The double down after the outward banked wave turn and the overbank being the main examples) compared to the more relentless look of the top RMC's. One of the ones I like to point to for what White Cyclone could have looked like at it's full potential is by CoasterMac305 on YT.


As I said, as much as it could have been better and I expect Hakugei will end up being an upper-mid tier RMC, It will still be one of the better rides out there.

Hakugei is probably going to end up being my first RMC, so all this lowering of expectations on my part could lead it to absolutely blowing me away.

So just to get this straight - you haven't ridden a single RMC but you've already decided which ones are better than others? :mike:

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Mike240SX » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:24 am

Their name is "projektion", it only makes sense that's what they do. LOL.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 am

Projektion wrote:As I said, as much as it could have been better and I expect Hakugei will end up being an upper-mid tier RMC, It will still be one of the better rides out there.

Not every roller coaster has to make its riders feel like they're being shot out of a cannon every time they go over a hill. Actually, that description you gave about it being more drawn-out makes me think I would like it better than other Rocky Mountain coasters.

And like Elissa said, you can't just have a blanket design style for every country or region. For some people, a Steel Vengeance might be too intense or aggressive. The teams at Rocky Mountain Construction and Ride Centerline likely know this, and I'll bet that they've done the necessary research and prep work to make sure Hakugei will be just right for Nagashima. That's the luxury you get when you order a custom design, as opposed to a clone.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:50 am

Projektion wrote:My problem with Hakugei is just that most of the elements seem so stretched out (The double down after the outward banked wave turn and the overbank being the main examples) compared to the more relentless look of the top RMC's. One of the ones I like to point to for what White Cyclone could have looked like at it's full potential is by CoasterMac305 on YT.

I'm so fucking sick of "back seat roller coaster designers" and their idiotic comments. Seriously, there is literally NO REASON for anyone to make comments like this about a roller coaster they have never ridden. Just please STFU and spare the rest of us your idiocracy.

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby OmnipotentSeal » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:56 am

Hakugei looks absolutely amazing. I can’t wait to someday ride it! Hopefully they start testing soon.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Kw6sTheatee » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:04 am

About Hakugei’s intensity... according to Coaster Studios’ interview of Alan Schilke, the folks at Nagashima Spa Land were shocked by how intense his original layout proposal was. He had to tweak it a bit to be less intense, which in my opinion isn’t a bad thing at all!
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby cfc » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:15 am

A.J. wrote:And like Elissa said, you can't just have a blanket design style for every country or region. For some people, a Steel Vengeance might be too intense or aggressive. The teams at Rocky Mountain Construction and Ride Centerline likely know this, and I'll bet that they've done the necessary research and prep work to make sure Hakugei will be just right for Nagashima. That's the luxury you get when you order a custom design, as opposed to a clone.


As much as I love Steel Vengeance, it does border on being "too much," which is why I slightly prefer Twisted Timbers. I think Nagashima is getting the coaster they want and need, and I look forward to riding it myself someday.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:04 pm

I don't think people quite understand that the average theme park visitor in Japan isn't going to want a ride that is as intense as we have them here in the US or even in Europe. And that's not a bad thing, just a different culture.

And hey, anyone who has an issue with that I'm more than happy with them NOT GOING TO JAPAN as to not have yet another obnoxious Westerner visit the park and complain about stuff they don't understand making the Japanese think we are all like that.

tl;dr - If you have a problem with this coaster, please just don't go. I beg of you. If you are going to complain, just please don't go to Japan and ruin it for the rest of us.

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby MayTheGForceBeWithYou » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:55 pm

^If a slightly toned down RMC is enough to ruin your trip to Nagashima (or Japan at large), you're there for all the wrong reasons.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby RAWKIN_coaster38 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:13 pm

A.J. wrote:
Projektion wrote:As I said, as much as it could have been better and I expect Hakugei will end up being an upper-mid tier RMC, It will still be one of the better rides out there.

Not every roller coaster has to make its riders feel like they're being shot out of a cannon every time they go over a hill. Actually, that description you gave about it being more drawn-out makes me think I would like it better than other Rocky Mountain coasters.

And like Elissa said, you can't just have a blanket design style for every country or region. For some people, a Steel Vengeance might be too intense or aggressive. The teams at Rocky Mountain Construction and Ride Centerline likely know this, and I'll bet that they've done the necessary research and prep work to make sure Hakugei will be just right for Nagashima. That's the luxury you get when you order a custom design, as opposed to a clone.

Whaaat you mean designers do their research about their target audience before they spend millions designing and building a new ride? :Pr

I actually didn't know that about Japan (them not being into super aggressive rides) but I learned something new today.

Idc if people think they could have built a "better" ride, this still looks stunning and I would love to get the chance to ride it someday. I've never ridden an RMC I didn't like, and most people have the same mentality about RMCs, so I'm sure this will end up pleasing the enthusiasts and GP after all. Can't wait to see TPR videos whenever you guys end up making it out there.
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