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Postby Medusa1861 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:20 am

V2-dude wrote:They slowed the cable down so it doesn't tear any feet off.

Too soon!

Also, As far as i remember (and i remember Viper well, one of my favorite rides) Viper didn't slow down at the top.
I believe I may have ridden El toro with the slowed lift hill... just because my last ride.. I got off and was actually completely bored of the ride!...so I went over to Medusa and rode that 14 times. A day later i remember seeing the Gadv TR with the "Slowed lift hill". Me, i guess you could say being a Great Adventure fanboy... El Toro went from being my #1 coaster.. to.. umm.. below #10, and i've only been on 85 coasters. j2 = my new favorite woodie.

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Postby ParkTrips » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:53 am

The difference doesn't look huge, but I'm sure its different. I will miss the thrill of the lift in itself, that first ride was an awesome surprise. However, I remember being PINNED to the lapbar on the first two, maybe even three hills, so I'd have to guess its still pretty damn good ejector even if the difference is noticable there. What I would worry about is the less-than-spectacular hills in the middle, and if the ride loses too much steam in the twists.

oh, and lol @ the teenage physicists thinking the change in final velocity is equal to the change in initial velocity. If it was that easy, maybe I would have done better in physics, and stuck with engineering.

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Postby coasterrider1998 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:27 pm

WadeJ wrote:No matter how fast the train hits that first drop, it can still only go so fast due to the size of the wheels. There is no difference in the ride. In fact, as Rob mentioned above, its running faster than it ever has. My rides late Saturday night were the best I've ever gotten and thats with 60+ rides on it. Toro is even giving air on the final hop into the brakes :)

In my opinion, having the great anticipation at the top before going down that drop is even better now. And the whip effect in the very back is :b


I want to say that Wade is right everyone...I did also get air in the back on the final hills...

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The bumps I mentioned are probably because of the wheels being changed and the chassis being moved a little.

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Postby Calvin » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:40 pm

CycloneMan wrote:I didn't as absolutely, I said there really wasn't a difference! It's only a slowed down lift. Trust us, the ride after that turn around and top of the drop is no different!

Also, the guests weren't complaining, the staff were getting reports about some things the train was doing that felt unsafe (I know, the lead op pulled me aside to ask me if something seemed different). GP don't even realize the difference. But I've seen this lift do different speeds to.

I've done it once where the lift came to a complete stop before releasing and then I've had it just slow down. But take my word, it's still El Toro

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Saying there's no difference between hurtling around the turn and leaping down the first drop and crawling around the turn and sliding down the first drop is like saying there's no difference between The Godfather and The Godfather with the first fifteen minutes lopped off...sure, the rest of the ride is the same but the rush of being tossed down that first drop is gone.
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Postby willski » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:52 pm

Calvin wrote:Assuming that the original speed was 15 mph and the new speed is 5 mph, that would mean that there's a loss of 10 mph throughout the whole ride.



Errmmmm...no. Vf2=vi2+2ad, but if the new wheels improved the train's momentum, it is possible that the ride is completing its course faster than before. Both the new "improved" wheels and that formula show that the initial speed is not as big of a factor as many of the posts in here would lead you to believe.

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oh, and lol @ the teenage physicists thinking the change in final velocity is equal to the change in initial velocity. If it was that easy, maybe I would have done better in physics, and stuck with engineering.



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Seriously though, if they really did manage to get wheels with bearings that are more suited to maintaining speed, the first drop may not be the exact same, but the following hills (especially on the back run and the RT hill) would be as fast or faster than before. And the twister portion might have airtime instead of dying like it did last year.

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Postby CycloneMan » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:10 pm

Calvin wrote:
CycloneMan wrote:I didn't as absolutely, I said there really wasn't a difference! It's only a slowed down lift. Trust us, the ride after that turn around and top of the drop is no different!

Also, the guests weren't complaining, the staff were getting reports about some things the train was doing that felt unsafe (I know, the lead op pulled me aside to ask me if something seemed different). GP don't even realize the difference. But I've seen this lift do different speeds to.

I've done it once where the lift came to a complete stop before releasing and then I've had it just slow down. But take my word, it's still El Toro.

-Dainan " :airtimer: " Rafferty


Saying there's no difference between hurtling around the turn and leaping down the first drop and crawling around the turn and sliding down the first drop is like saying there's no difference between The Godfather and The Godfather with the first fifteen minutes lopped off...sure, the rest of the ride is the same but the rush of being tossed down that first drop is gone.


Okay! I've had it! Unless you've ridden it before and after! You have no right to make opinions! So shut it! It's slightly different, the top of the drop! WOW! The worlds going to end! Don't get me wrong, I'd preffer to have the bit of speed, but it's really no different. If you sit anywhere except for the first 3 cars, it doesn't feel different!

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Postby robbalvey » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:15 pm

CycloneMan wrote:
Calvin wrote:
CycloneMan wrote:I didn't as absolutely, I said there really wasn't a difference! It's only a slowed down lift. Trust us, the ride after that turn around and top of the drop is no different!

Also, the guests weren't complaining, the staff were getting reports about some things the train was doing that felt unsafe (I know, the lead op pulled me aside to ask me if something seemed different). GP don't even realize the difference. But I've seen this lift do different speeds to.

I've done it once where the lift came to a complete stop before releasing and then I've had it just slow down. But take my word, it's still El Toro.

-Dainan " :airtimer: " Rafferty


Saying there's no difference between hurtling around the turn and leaping down the first drop and crawling around the turn and sliding down the first drop is like saying there's no difference between The Godfather and The Godfather with the first fifteen minutes lopped off...sure, the rest of the ride is the same but the rush of being tossed down that first drop is gone.


Okay! I've had it! Unless you've ridden it before and after! You have no right to make opinions! So shut it! It's slightly different, the top of the drop! WOW! The worlds going to end! Don't get me wrong, I'd preffer to have the bit of speed, but it's really no different. If you sit anywhere except for the first 3 cars, it doesn't feel different!

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Oy! Both of you! Calm down!

I agree you can't have a REAL opinion unless you ride something for yourself, but you also shouldn't go around telling people to "shut it."

While I can "listen" to the people who have ridden it, I'm not going to pass any judgement until I ride again for myself.

This reminds me when Disney trimmed California Screamin' and all the Disneyland fanboys told me "Oh, it really doesn't affect the ride at all." And then I rode it and most of the airtime was gone from the bunny hills.

Not that I am doubting anyone, but I just won't believe it doesn't affect it until I ride it.

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Postby CycloneMan » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:27 pm

robbalvey wrote:
CycloneMan wrote:
Calvin wrote:
CycloneMan wrote:I didn't as absolutely, I said there really wasn't a difference! It's only a slowed down lift. Trust us, the ride after that turn around and top of the drop is no different!

Also, the guests weren't complaining, the staff were getting reports about some things the train was doing that felt unsafe (I know, the lead op pulled me aside to ask me if something seemed different). GP don't even realize the difference. But I've seen this lift do different speeds to.

I've done it once where the lift came to a complete stop before releasing and then I've had it just slow down. But take my word, it's still El Toro.

-Dainan " :airtimer: " Rafferty


Saying there's no difference between hurtling around the turn and leaping down the first drop and crawling around the turn and sliding down the first drop is like saying there's no difference between The Godfather and The Godfather with the first fifteen minutes lopped off...sure, the rest of the ride is the same but the rush of being tossed down that first drop is gone.


Okay! I've had it! Unless you've ridden it before and after! You have no right to make opinions! So shut it! It's slightly different, the top of the drop! WOW! The worlds going to end! Don't get me wrong, I'd preffer to have the bit of speed, but it's really no different. If you sit anywhere except for the first 3 cars, it doesn't feel different!

-Dainan "Listen to the people who have ridden it. We are all saying the same thing!" Rafferty

Oy! Both of you! Calm down!

I agree you can't have a REAL opinion unless you ride something for yourself, but you also shouldn't go around telling people to "shut it."

While I can "listen" to the people who have ridden it, I'm not going to pass any judgement until I ride again for myself.

This reminds me when Disney trimmed California Screamin' and all the Disneyland fanboys told me "Oh, it really doesn't affect the ride at all." And then I rode it and most of the airtime was gone from the bunny hills.

Not that I am doubting anyone, but I just won't believe it doesn't affect it until I ride it.

--Robb


Sorry about my reaction :( . I'm over protective of my ride...damn I am a GA Fanboy! Anyway, you are 100% right where you won't know unless you ride it.

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Postby Bubba Z » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:04 pm

While waiting in line for my first night ride on Kingda ka it broke @10:59. Usually they send you home , but not this night. I was lucky enough to be sent to El Toro at 11:10pm Again being Lucky, I sat in the Front Row. This had to be one of the fastest laps I have ever been on. The lift still clunks and speeds you up 3/4 of the way until the train is one length from cresting the top. At this the point I've ridden it were it either crawls around the turn, or it's going around five or eight mph.

While ridding in the back earlier that night I still got the same feeling as being pull over from the drop and slamming my thighs into the lapbar. Let alone that crazy Ejector air coming over Rolling Thunder. (you know the part where it actually seems you might get tossed out and land on Kingda ka) Well, that's still there as well as the insane speed the train picks up going through the twister part.

Did I mention they sent us around a second time that night. Both rides were incredible and so far my most enjoyable to date. This is also being said after I rode a dozen or so times on Media day which were good , but no where compared to what happened last Saturday night.

Will I miss the speed around the turn, sure ! But... did it effect the ride after the drop, No.

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Postby WadeJ » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:03 pm

Medusa1861 wrote:
V2-dude wrote:They slowed the cable down so it doesn't tear any feet off.

Too soon!

Also, As far as i remember (and i remember Viper well, one of my favorite rides) Viper didn't slow down at the top.
I believe I may have ridden El toro with the slowed lift hill... just because my last ride.. I got off and was actually completely bored of the ride!...so I went over to Medusa and rode that 14 times. A day later i remember seeing the Gadv TR with the "Slowed lift hill". Me, i guess you could say being a Great Adventure fanboy... El Toro went from being my #1 coaster.. to.. umm.. below #10, and i've only been on 85 coasters. j2 = my new favorite woodie.


huh? um...yeah.... alrighty then. I guess its "possible" you happened to just a train off the transfer. The ride is completely different until it warms up (aren't most?). But regardless, I can assure everybody the ride is completing the course faster than it has all season. Its hitting the brakes a few seconds soon than all last season.

And I'm not sure where this new wheels thing came from. I'm not aware of any changes to the wheels. I mentioned the point that the wheels can physically only spin so fast on that first drop (they can only go so many rpm's) so its hitting the exact same speed no matter what. I think the only difference is that El Toro has finally broken in and is sustaining more speed throughout the entire course.

After 60+ rides, I know this ride personally. Its only getting better. I agree with those that mentioned - you won't know til you ride it :)

By the way, Medusa1861 was right, that comment was to soon!

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