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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby mike541x » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:08 pm

^I'd also love to see a new ride in Ireland as that section of the park seems to be lacking a major attraction. Drachen Fire's old spot would be great as well since there is plenty of room, although the location seemed to be an issue with the ride since the path is hidden behind Festhaus and the fact it's close to Kingsmill (probably why we have yet to see a coaster back there yet, but that could change). That would also mean the sacrifice of Bitten, Glory In The Gardens and whatever activities that are held back there.

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:19 pm

mike541x wrote:^I'd also love to see a new ride in Ireland as that section of the park seems to be lacking a major attraction. Drachen Fire's old spot would be great as well since there is plenty of room, although the location seemed to be an issue with the ride since the path is hidden behind Festhaus and the fact it's close to Kingsmill (probably why we have yet to see a coaster back there yet, but that could change). That would also mean the sacrifice of Bitten, Glory In The Gardens and whatever activities that are held back there.

Yeah, that's a tricky one. Not only is the path back there hidden, it's also pretty narrow compared to the other major thoroughfares in the park. You'd have to get rid of or relocate the Autobahn / Junior Autobahn to make that path wide enough, and the coaster would likely need to be an anchor of a new country or German territory so that there's more to do back there for guests.

You'd also have to build some sort of wall or grow enough trees to hide Verbolten's show building from guests at ground level. It's not so much an issue at night with the haunts or during concert days, but when you're actually incorporating a themed, story-based area back there, it becomes important that the Black Forest appear to be an actual forest.

I'd say that they'd be better off in that open area between Festa Italia and San Marco, but that's another haunt spot, right? As much as I'd love a new coaster or expansion losing those kinds of spots would likely hurt the park's bottom line.
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby DrachenfireOP » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:32 pm

^ No not at all. The path back there was purpose built for Drachen Fire. I see no reason it couldn't just be re-used as is. People on here sometimes claim the location doomed Drachen Fire and it's just not true. People didn't have trouble finding it (or at least, not any more than finding other points of the park. I used to need to give directions to Alpengeist from the log flume bridge from time to time). It just was a rough/unpopular ride that many people refused to re-ride, and others wouldn't get on after hearing someone else complain of roughness. Especially in the early days of the ride, the DF area was packed. They even had little shops and stands selling food/drink back there even though DF was the only ride.

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I wish they left the path open a bit after closing the ride. I loved watching the Wolf go through the village. BTW, the path isn't as wide as other parts of the park, but it's plenty wide.

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As to the Verbolten showhouse, BBW actually used to only have a facade instead of real buildings in the village. They upgraded it to full buildings when DF opened to look better as people walked by. Here's a DF construction photo where you can see the back of the old facade.

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They could do something similar for Verbolten where they put up fake trees or such. Or, they could just leave it alone. You can already see the show building from the bumper cars so who cares if you can also see it from another angle. I think it would be a fine place for a new ride/area if they're over the noise issue by now. I would think the Ireland area would be better rounded, but lots of stuff would need to be cleared and the DF site is already there. Plus, they have the buildings still around to recycle like they did with wolf.

Also, I loved going under DF on the train ride. I'd love to have a coaster back in the park where you can do that again!

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby VegasBaby » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:09 pm

Great photos, thanks for sharing them. I'm still bummed that I never got to ride Drachen Fire. For those that did get to ride it, was it really that rough? It looks like it had some really cool elements and it must've had some great airtime on that camel back hill.
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby awclark » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:01 am

VegasBaby wrote:Great photos, thanks for sharing them. I'm still bummed that I never got to ride Drachen Fire. For those that did get to ride it, was it really that rough? It looks like it had some really cool elements and it must've had some great airtime on that camel back hill.


It was from my memory of it. It was summer 1997 and I was on a family vaca and we happened to make a pit stop at Busch Gardens. I was only 8 years old at the time, but I remember riding it after my sister and dad had ridden Alpengeist. I just remember as soon as we hit the Wraparound corkscrew it was headbanger city. Being so young I didn't know how to ride rough coasters and I was just the perfect height for my head to slam around the restraint. We all hated it, but later on in the day my dad and I decided to ride it again to see if we could have a better ride and all I remember was getting off the ride for that second time, walking down the exit ramp and bursting into tears LOL. I'm sure if I was older, taller, and more knowledgable of how to ride a rough coaster, I could've enjoyed it. It's weird though, I actually find it pretty cool that I had a chance to ride such an "infamous" ride despite it sucking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:05 am

DrachenfireOP wrote:^ No not at all. The path back there was purpose built for Drachen Fire. I see no reason it couldn't just be re-used as is. People on here sometimes claim the location doomed Drachen Fire and it's just not true.

Rephrasing - it's not so much the path itself but the bottleneck between that corner of Festhaus and the green barrier next to Autobahn. During Howl-O-Scream last year that little corner was packed with people going in both directions, very claustrophobic. Though, I'm pretty sure it would be against Busch Gardens' many best landscaping awards to get rid of those trees and such...
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby bill_s » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:19 am

Drachen Fire was rough but no worse than most Arrow. The restraints were unique and should have been changed before the ride opened, and that they never were even after lawsuits was unbelievable. Basically solid steel with about a half mm of hard rubber coating, placed at perfect level to break necks. If your body tapped them, you felt pain. If your head hit them as hard as on the on the average B&M, you had to check for permanent damage. I rode it a LOT because it was good and unpopular, but it wasn't a ride to relax and not worry on, penalties were severe for any mistake.

The location may have had a snowball effect, if lots of traffic people knew it was there, once low traffic most didn't.

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby SFOGdude25 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:32 am

New for 2017: Drachen Fire 2.0, built by B&M as originally intended.
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby Themonerd » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:10 am

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby Themonerd » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:14 am

coasterbill wrote:Wait this park is seriously teasing a 2017 coaster earlier than basically everyone else after they waited until Tempesto was done before announcing it? Are they bipolar?

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