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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:46 am

If Alpengeist permanently ran during this event (even with a 42 degree limit) I'd consider going. In any case, nice to see they opened it up for a little bit.

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Postby cfc » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:03 am

coasterbill wrote:If Alpengeist permanently ran during this event (even with a 42 degree limit) I'd consider going. In any case, nice to see they opened it up for a little bit.


It definitely wasn't open last Friday night. They had benches blocking the entrance plaza.
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby mike541x » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:12 am

I saw on BGW's instagram that Alpengeist was only open for the first few days of Christmas Town. Now it's back to being just Verbolten.

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Such a bummer because I definitely would've been going to Christmas Town this year if it was kept open...

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:36 am

Out of curiosity is the temperature limit a liability thing? Great Adventure is blowing the lid off of any rumors that B&M coasters physically can't run in temps below 40 degrees, they're running them all below that (even when it's below freezing) and they all seem to be running well. When are other parks going to follow suit?

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby cfc » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:42 am

Christmas Town isn't about the rides; people go there for the decorations, the food, and the shows. Staffing and budgets come into play, too--why pay to keep a ride staffed and operating if very few people are queuing up for it?
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby DrachenfireOP » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:06 pm

Oh, sorry to get anyone's hopes up. I thought maybe they changed it this year. Before Verbolten, Alpengeist was open for all of Christmas town. Verbolten does make more sense for the target demographic though.

Also, when I worked these coasters, they told me the weather issue was the grease, not the ride itself. Also, I think it is dangerous to run them in the cold. We had an incident when I worked on the Big Bad Wolf where the temperature dropped drastically one night. We got the call to shut down, but a train sitting on the ready breaks outside the station actually got stuck and wouldn't entee the station. If we had waited any longer, we could have had a real problem on our hands. Eventually we had to just wait til the next day, and maintanence even had to take heaters to the wheels to get it moving again. Maybe in normal running the rides produce enough heat to stop this, but in the event of an unplanned shutdown, you might have a train that won't start moving again and needs to be evaced, or worse, you might see a valley.

Six flags isn't a company I trust. I don't know if they have clearance to run that low, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn they're skirting the rules. I don't think that companies historic willingness to do shady things should be raised up as a worthy standard. Again, though, maybe they do have heaters or something else that makes it ok. I don't work there so I don't know, buy history has taught us to follow engineers instructions or face the consequences.

NASA was warned not to fly Challenger in the cold, but managers overrode the engineers because "it will probably be fine and it's been fine in the past." Obviously roller coasters won't explode, but they can valley or have other issues. Until B&M comes out and says Great Adventure is cleared and within guidelines, I'll stay wary and trust them as a better source on the machine they made than the six flags managers.

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:06 pm

DrachenfireOP wrote:Six flags isn't a company I trust. I don't know if they have clearance to run that low, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn they're skirting the rules. I don't think that companies historic willingness to do shady things should be raised up as a worthy standard. Again, though, maybe they do have heaters or something else that makes it ok. I don't work there so I don't know, buy history has taught us to follow engineers instructions or face the consequences.


I think this is a little over-the-top... to be fair what's the worst that can happen? Even if the ride valleys nobody will be put in danger, and honestly none of the coasters looked close to doing so. They all seemed to be running at a decent clip, I've seen them run much slower. Apparently it has something to do with the wheels they're using. I don't think the word "dangerous" is even close to being the right word to use here.

Plus the only coasters that can stop out on the course are Nitro and Green Lantern and if Nitro makes it to the mid course then it's not going to valley. It only valleys before the mid course but with these wheels it's running really fast. Green Lantern shows no signs of valleying either but if it did that would be a wonderful service to the people on the ride as they wouldn't be subjected to the second half of that piece of crap coaster.

Actually on Saturday Batman did stop on the lift (it was in the 50's at that point so probably not weather related) and got evaced. About an hour later the sun went down, the temps dropped a lot and the train had been sitting and when they tested it empty it ripped through the course. That ride is out of control, I don't think there's any way it'll ever valley. There are no slow points anywhere on the layout.

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby Philrad71 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:25 pm

^ That is interesting about the coasters at SFGA running full-tilt for the most part this season. I agree with you in that SF is most likely not going to run coasters that violate the coaster manufacturer's rules. Too much at stake if there is a risk of anything more severe than a valley.

I agree with Chuck that BGE seems to be wanting to make this more of a family-friendly event by only having the flat rides open along with Verbolten. Although I would almost think that due to the technology of Verbolten, that they might have more issues with this one in the cold than they would during the regular season. And the same could probably be be said for Mach Tower too.

If they got clearance from B&M and opened the coasters above 40 degrees for the event in coming years, I would definitely make the trek. But as mentioned, It seems as if they are making it family-friendly for now...and there certainly isn't anything wrong with that.

Also worth mentioning, the Eastern US is getting much higher temps than normal so far this season. Heck, Cedar Point could be open right now...they are calling for a high of 63 here on Sunday and highs between 55-60 all weekend in Sandusky!

And also of note...as many know, Dollywood also operates all of their coasters until the temps reach around 40. When we were there a few years ago, it was in the low 40's (maybe even lower) and they had everything open but the water rides. We even took a frigid night ride on Thunderhead where I thought my nose was going to freeze and fall off. And that coaster was hauling some serious ass - the 2nd best wooden coaster ride in the dark that I have ever had outside of the Beast in the front seat. :)
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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby bill_s » Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:41 pm

The slowest I've ever seen a B&M run was Dominator on the same weekend that hurricane put a coaster in the ocean, I was wondering if it was going to make it. It was cold but mostly it was the wind. Wind forces vary at the square of the velocity, so if a coaster goes into the wind it slows it more than the wind at its back helps it. Sideways wind even increases drag.

I went to Christmas Town the first few years. At first it was a kind of unorganized event which I kind of like. As it's gotten "better" it's only more clear it's not my thing. I'd ignore that for more coasters, but only one is a tease.

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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

Postby adeuce02 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:46 pm

I will say one thing about the temp thing. When I worked at Islands of Adventure a couple years ago we couldn't run Hulk due the weather not going above a certain temperature. So it's weird six flags can run them but maybe its a Operator decision

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