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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Arrow Dynamics fan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:31 pm

My argument is more closely based on SDC and not quite as much based on HW. SDC's three most recent additions (Wildfire, Powder Keg, and Outlaw Run). Although the count of the park is actually around 6, I don't count Fire in the Hole as to me it is more of a Dark Ride plus it was be no means a recent addition. I don't count Grand Exposition Center as that is a kiddie ride (make no mistake an important part that every balance park needs to offer, but not really added for an attendance booster). Thunderation was nearly 20 years ago anyhow. These three additions have little to no overlap between each other. Wildfire is a B&M traditional sit down (which is unique in this part of the country), Powder Keg is one of a kind in its layout and unique in this area of the country as an air launched coaster, and Outlaw Run is a one of a kind woodie with inversions that has the potential to be what the SoB should have been and if so will not only make Prowler and Boss seem insignificant but could present a challenge to El Toro and Voyage for the most intense woodie title. No other parks have these coasters and they do not overlap. One is a steel looper and was a completely new segment to SDC when it was added, air launched is one of a kind, and one is a woodie that inverts. The best part was that at least these rides were not that expensive. Wildfire was $14 million, Outlaw Run is merely $10 million (in comparison the failed SoB was a bit over $20 million initially), and Power Keg came from transforming a failed attraction into a successful one (I can't find info on the price).

Parks like SDC are in truth family parks and in a different segment than say Six Flags and Cedar Fair and in the past seemed lame to me the last time I attended (1996 I think); however, with these three new additions (especially Outlaw Run), they have made a credible challenge to their local competition (SFSTL & WOF). They also have created the case for a fan for SDC to try their sister park Dollywood because they do not share a single coaster design with each other and aside from possibly Mystery Mine and Sideshow Spin, each is a unique coaster to this park alone. Cedar Fair and even more so, Six Flags is terrible about making this mistake (see how many Six Flags have Batman clones, have B&M hypers, Boomerangs, B&M Flying coasters of the same layout, and other examples).

Ed Hart in comparison added 5 (excluding Roller Skater as it is a kiddie coaster, 6 if you count Twisted Sisters as two) in a matter of 8 years. Vampire ( a Boomerang), Thunder Run, and T2 were each clones (yes T2 was the first in the U.S. but it was not the first ever made and I'll cite Magic Springs as evidence that Hart would have used it regardless), and the rest did not stand out as significant. No matter how you cut it, if SDC or Dollywood had to go ten years without a brand new addition, their coasters uniqueness would help them from becoming as deflated as KK became. The reason for this is you could go to a long list of parks that had the same coasters as KK as well as many others that KK didn't have. The same cannot be said about SDC and Dollywood. This is the lesson Hart needs to learn.

HW while their coasters are highly ranked, I wouldn't say this as much because there is too much overlap between them (particularly Raven and Legend). I am not going to criticize the addition of Voyage as I haven't had the chance to ride it and from what it looks like, it probably is one of the best; meanwhile, I have ridden Raven and Legend, and my reaction was while these were definitely good coasters (way better than Blue Streak, Mean Streak, Rattler, Judge Roy, Timber Wolf), they were not the best I have been on (Screamin' Eagle, Boss, Beast, Prowler) and they seemed too much alike. Back in 2002, my youth group went there instead of SFSTL we were told it was going to be much better because of the highly ranked coasters and free Pepsi, my reaction after being there was "on what planet is this better than anything and why waste the money on the drive and on a room for the evening?" I regarded Legend as being HW's attempt to make what they should have made the first time and was wanting a steel coaster with inversions instead of two woodies. There is a bigger difference between Screamin' Eagle and Boss than there is between these two and I like both of those better than Legend and Raven, plus SFSTL had 3 steel coasters with inversions to add to its favor. In my opinion, if they wanted to offer another woodie after Raven, they should have went to GCI to at least provide a very different experience. Concerning the free Pepsi, I rather have house brand soda over Pepsi; therefore, that never appealed to me. Don't get me wrong Holiday World is another example of a great family park and everyone should try it once, but it isn't meant to compete against SF or CF parks yet and until they get some steel coasters, SDC and Dollywood are better options in my opinion.
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby simaticable » Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:47 pm

^ This is more of a pet peeve of mine more than anything else, but can you not put the word "the" in front of the names of rides? It just sounds weird in my head when I read it.

I know, completely random, but it was just bugging me.
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Arrow Dynamics fan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:24 pm

simaticable wrote:^ This is more of a pet peeve of mine more than anything else, but can you not put the word "the" in front of the names of rides? It just sounds weird in my head when I read it.

I know, completely random, but it was just bugging me.

Fair enough, use of "the" in retrospec was not entirely consistent on my part in accordance with ride titles. Corrections made. I will try to work on my bad habit of "the" overkill. ;)
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby theonetheonlyJT » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:30 pm

So the most important question now is will the casino be named Kentucky Kingdom :lol:
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby Arrow Dynamics fan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:42 pm

theonetheonlyJT wrote:So the most important question now is will the casino be named Kentucky Kingdom :lol:

Sure, why not? They can reuse some of the names or play on names for the games and other things associated with it. B2 (or Bankruptcy to the Second Power), Double Trouble: Lola and Stella (the leg breakers), Chang (or Thunder Run) Buffet, Vampire (the Elvis Impersonator), etc. ;)
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby simaticable » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:57 pm

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LOUISVILLE, KY. (WDRB) -- Louisville businessman Ed Hart is expected to meet with state officials Wednesday to talk about plans to re-open Kentucky Kingdom.

Hart's group is the only one known to have submitted a plan.

The state has rejected his two previous plans, but this one doesn't include what had been a big roadblock in the past -- a $30 million loan guarantee from the state.

Hart is proposing to reopen Kentucky Kingdom by 2014.

The state isn't saying yet who, if anyone, will reopen the closed amusement park.


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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby gisco » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:12 am

What ever happened to the casino? Now they are back talking to Hart?

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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby mikeykaise » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:48 pm

simaticable wrote:Source
LOUISVILLE, KY. (WDRB) -- Louisville businessman Ed Hart is expected to meet with state officials Wednesday to talk about plans to re-open Kentucky Kingdom.

Hart's group is the only one known to have submitted a plan.

The state has rejected his two previous plans, but this one doesn't include what had been a big roadblock in the past -- a $30 million loan guarantee from the state.

Hart is proposing to reopen Kentucky Kingdom by 2014.

The state isn't saying yet who, if anyone, will reopen the closed amusement park.


Well, it's something.


The difference this time from what I heard is that Hart wants to use the rides and equipment to help secure the bank loan which there is a state law that will permit contractors or 3rd party business groups to use State Equipment to secure financing.
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby biker7766 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Does anybody have any news on what happened at the meeting today?
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Re: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (SFKK) Discussion Thread

Postby lilsam1993 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:17 pm

That meeting occurred last Wednesday, not today.

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