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Postby bert425 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:47 pm

A.J. wrote:All this "is it worth it for the Diamond Elite membership" talk and I'm just sitting here with my gold season pass for all the parks with parking that cost me less than $75. :lmao:


yep.

me too.

think we paid ~$64 each once taxes/fees were added, and free upgrade to gold got us parking at all parks (currently $27 each time at Fiesta if paying).

THEN, once we had the passes, the Meal plan (with lunch and snack) was (I think) ~$21 more. . . we basically "renewed" our dining pass which we only picked up in 2018 as they kept lowering the prices.

so basically, if we go to Fiesta Texas 3 times during the year, we've paid for the pass, and if we eat twice (average meal $12) we've paid for the dining.

yeah, we've *more* than gotten our money's worth (especially since Fiesta is now Year round operations).

now we do spend some $$ on other things while visiting the parks, like bottled water, or merchandise? Yes, sometimes.

but I totally understand why the park wants everyone to move to Memberships (moving Season Pass perks over to memberships), and to get them a bit more $$. but for us? passes are just fine, and we'll keep getting them until no longer an option.
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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby thrillrider » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:12 am

We made out quite well with our memberships this year. I have a family of 5, so I bought a diamond elite membership and the rest of my family got a standard membership. We all added the dinning as well($100 each).

We always go together, so it made sense to do it this way. Only one of us needs the parking, and in-park discounts that an elite pass offers. 50% off merch and food. We typically get a tshirt and/or souvenir from each park we visit and that saved us some serious $$$.

With the dinning plan , our drink cups are included every year, so that's another added bonus(cedar fair cups are $30 extra). We typically do not like to go thru the hassle of packing the kids up, walking a mile to the car and back, finding a fast food place that typically has inflated prices simply because it's near a theme park. So the dinning plan works great for us.

This year, we spent 12 days at six flags parks. The cost of my membership is what I would have spent on parking fees alone. Last year we spent 14 days at six flags parks. This is within a 12 month period. So in the course of a year, we actually spent 26 days at six flags property's.

We saved some serious $$$ by getting memberships.
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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby bluestreak » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:20 am

You raise the point that I think it just depends on everyone's situation. I typically only go to Six Flags with one other person and we do it maybe 5-6 times a year. We also try to eat a big breakfast and only eat a snack or two while inside the park. We also don't really care for merch so the gold pass on it's own (especially when bought during the flash sale) is more than enough for us.

That all being said I can totally see where a family of your structure can find a bigger benefit with the memberships.
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Postby Too Fast For Comfort » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:32 am

Well, the one thing that makes it hard to synergize with other levels is that to get access to the early entry gate to the right, you either have to actually have a Platinum or higher pass, or be using a 50% off or a bring a friend for free from a Platinum or higher holder. It sucks, but I figure when I go with my Gold friends, I can just use that time to get my two skip the line passes, and buy the Flash Passes for the group. It would be kind of an A$$ move if I started riding without them I think.

But I try to synergize the food. My friend that I go on a lot of road trips with usually gets the full season meal plan for Cedar Fair, so we just trade back and forth on that. The group will share a meal when they're available, and we'll all go out and get real food at a restaurant or bar afterwards (well that's the plan, but usually we're so dead after the parks we jut go straight to the Airbnb).

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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:30 am

Again, it's about the perception of savings/value vs. what you actually spent that Six Flags gets. A slice of pizza and fries isn't actually worth $15 in labor, building maintenance, and materials (food, paper plate/basket thing). Technically you save money with the pass in so much as the prices there and at Cedar Fair parks are exorbitant, but you're still adding to the park's bottom line. After all, if Six Flags passes were, say, $400 at the most basic level, you wouldn't bother to get them. They know that.

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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby Too Fast For Comfort » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:38 am

DirkFunk wrote:Again, it's about the perception of savings/value vs. what you actually spent that Six Flags gets. A slice of pizza and fries isn't actually worth $15 in labor, building maintenance, and materials (food, paper plate/basket thing). Technically you save money with the pass in so much as the prices there and at Cedar Fair parks are exorbitant, but you're still adding to the park's bottom line. After all, if Six Flags passes were, say, $400 at the most basic level, you wouldn't bother to get them. They know that.


Well, I've thought about this, and I actually think that the smoke and mirrors does provide a pretty cool benefit that you might not think of that adds value:

It makes the experience more cashless. I think that anything that the parks (or any business that focuses on entertainment, hospitality, or customer service) can do to eliminate the amount of times that you have to take out your wallet and pay for something the better. Its just a hassle and in my minds takes away from your experience. You're either taking cash out of your wallet and then dealing with loose change when you get change back, or you're fiddling around with the credit card machine, and waiting for the transaction to go through. To the extent that parks can figure out pre-loaded cashless payment systems, or build in free stuff with memberships/hotel stays, I think it goes a long way to making the experience more luxurious and fun for the customers, even if you take out the social engineering aspect on the park's end, or gaming the system on the customer's end.

So to me, I try to prioritize perks that give you something for "free" (or at least something that you don't pay for) as opposed to perks that just give you discounts.

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Postby bert425 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:35 am

^ sorry, but no. Disagree with you completely based on my experiences.

the sheer number of times we've been stuck behind someone trying to find their Membership (if they don't have that hanging lanyard), or dig a pass out of their wallet. . or the sheer number of times, the scan doesn't work?

back up the lines in every store/food service place.

cash is oh so much faster, and for a place like Six Flags to go completely cashless would be a huge mistake.


Disney? (where they load everything on a Magic Band that everyone wears on their wrists?). . . yep, perfectly fine with it at a place that's used to dealing with huge amounts of people and invests in the technology to make it work.

but Six Flags? nope. .don't want a cashless park
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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:43 am

bert425 wrote:^ sorry, but no. Disagree with you completely based on my experiences.

the sheer number of times we've been stuck behind someone trying to find their Membership (if they don't have that hanging lanyard), or dig a pass out of their wallet. . or the sheer number of times, the scan doesn't work?

back up the lines in every store/food service place.

cash is oh so much faster, and for a place like Six Flags to go completely cashless would be a huge mistake.


Disney? (where they load everything on a Magic Band that everyone wears on their wrists?). . . yep, perfectly fine with it at a place that's used to dealing with huge amounts of people and invests in the technology to make it work.

but Six Flags? nope. .don't want a cashless park


Those issues will go away increasingly as I'm sure Six Flags (like everyone) will transition to having more and more touch screen ordering. They already do ordering on the App for food. Then they can move the staff back to primarily working on making it.

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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby Too Fast For Comfort » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:44 am

bert425 wrote:^ sorry, but no. Disagree with you completely based on my experiences.

the sheer number of times we've been stuck behind someone trying to find their Membership (if they don't have that hanging lanyard), or dig a pass out of their wallet. . or the sheer number of times, the scan doesn't work?

back up the lines in every store/food service place.

cash is oh so much faster, and for a place like Six Flags to go completely cashless would be a huge mistake.


Disney? (where they load everything on a Magic Band that everyone wears on their wrists?). . . yep, perfectly fine with it at a place that's used to dealing with huge amounts of people and invests in the technology to make it work.

but Six Flags? nope. .don't want a cashless park


Easily solution: just load everything on a wristband with a barcode. And anyway, the problem with your argument is that with pass discounts, you have have the same problem as you just mentioned, plus people having to figure out how to pay as well. I still can't comprehend how somebody could screw up taking a pass out of your pocket and having it scanned, but I honestly don't doubt you knowing the average American.

Yes, I'm a huge supporter of the bands, and short of that, loaded plastic wristbands with barcodes that can easily be cut off after the day is over. I've seen BGW use them and was blown away by the technology and efficiency. Haven't seen any other park use them though. The Magic Band is a whole other ball game. Disney goes above and beyond, but they also have their issues and inefficiencies from time to time.



And for the record, Six Flags just has out of control lines for their concessions. The horribly understaff and have poor procedures and systems in place. I don't think that people digging pass cards out of their pocket has much to do with it. And that mostly hurts the park -- they get little to not benefit by the extra people in parks, as people aren't being turned over in the concession stands, and little extra food gets sold compared to a flow of people that meets the stands capacity.

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Re: Six Flags Corporate Discussion Thread

Postby Too Fast For Comfort » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:47 am

DirkFunk wrote:
bert425 wrote:^ sorry, but no. Disagree with you completely based on my experiences.

the sheer number of times we've been stuck behind someone trying to find their Membership (if they don't have that hanging lanyard), or dig a pass out of their wallet. . or the sheer number of times, the scan doesn't work?

back up the lines in every store/food service place.

cash is oh so much faster, and for a place like Six Flags to go completely cashless would be a huge mistake.


Disney? (where they load everything on a Magic Band that everyone wears on their wrists?). . . yep, perfectly fine with it at a place that's used to dealing with huge amounts of people and invests in the technology to make it work.

but Six Flags? nope. .don't want a cashless park


Those issues will go away increasingly as I'm sure Six Flags (like everyone) will transition to having more and more touch screen ordering. They already do ordering on the App for food. Then they can move the staff back to primarily working on making it.


I dream of that day. I get pretty excited as I see more and more over the counter restaurants going to app based ordering and touch screens (not necessarily at parks, but at everyday places). Unfortunately, there are a lot of kinks to work out, and I still see stand-by line customers getting priority over people who took the time to order online and wait virtually. If the kinks can get worked out, I can see the system really taking over.

But at a certain point, we'll have to worry about the bots teaming up, and a Skynet or Matrix situation down the road... Well we'll cross that when we get to it.

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