Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby Chittlins » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:19 am

Question?

Would this park have had a better chance, because the concept(not the location) was good, if it was attached to or part of a larger Hard Rock development that includes their casino/resort properties. Say Biloxi? Tulsa? Maybe the cradle of Rock and Roll and the blues as part of a large project in Tunica? It seems the park should not have come first but as part of the initial development or a soon there after one.

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby larrygator » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:12 am

It's hard to know for sure.

Tunica is not far from Memphis, which has a larger year round population base than Myrtle Beach. One would think that someone who spends the totality of May - September in Memphis would have more incentive to drive an hour to Tunica for a change of pace family fun getaway. Many families drive to Myrtle Beach solely for the beach, the goal is a relaxing couple of days at the beach. Getting in the car and driving the 10-15 minutes, just didn't seem like something many people wanted to do after a day at the beach.

When I spent three days in Tunica the crowds did not appear amusement park friendly.
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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby tge98 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:30 am

Its kind of sad that they have a beautiful b&m just sitting there and rusting. I wish they would sell it. Maybe Six Flags would buy it and ship it up to TGE.

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby goatdan » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:43 am

Chittlins wrote:Would this park have had a better chance, because the concept(not the location) was good, if it was attached to or part of a larger Hard Rock development that includes their casino/resort properties. Say Biloxi? Tulsa? Maybe the cradle of Rock and Roll and the blues as part of a large project in Tunica? It seems the park should not have come first but as part of the initial development or a soon there after one.


The concept was not necessarily so good. It was a very adult theme, but the rides themselves were more geared to a younger audience. I'll give it that it was extremely creative, and really thought through a lot of details, but the business plan was never run through the right people it seems. For one, I know they did some sort of report that said that there was more then enough tourism in the area to support a park, so that was part of the reason they went forward with it, but the flip side is they estimated that 30,000+ attendees would walk through the gate every day that it was open.

And therein lies the problem. To put that into perspective, Cedar Point is a well established destination park. It's seasonal, operating I would guess about 150 days a year. It has reported attendance of over 3 million for the past few years. That means it would have an average gate of 20,000.

Hard Rock Park, with a much shorter operating calendar, expected to get the same sort of attendance that Cedar Point does. Never mind the missteps in promotion, ride openings, local partners, questionable theme, or anything else which may have contributed - whomever came up with the idea that just by existing, this park would have a larger average daily attendance than Cedar Point must have been delusional.

The skeleton of the park was overbuilt from the beginning to try to accommodate those people in the way of facility, but not in the way of actual attractions. You can't efficiently operate a facility made to house 30,000 people when 2,000 are showing up.

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby Chittlins » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:46 pm

larrygator wrote:It's hard to know for sure.

Tunica is not far from Memphis, which has a larger year round population base than Myrtle Beach. One would think that someone who spends the totality of May - September in Memphis would have more incentive to drive an hour to Tunica for a change of pace family fun getaway. Many families drive to Myrtle Beach solely for the beach, the goal is a relaxing couple of days at the beach. Getting in the car and driving the 10-15 minutes, just didn't seem like something many people wanted to do after a day at the beach.

When I spent three days in Tunica the crowds did not appear amusement park friendly.

I'll expand a little. Memphis is the junction of I55 and I40 , both major interstates. The interstat quality four lane that runs to the casinos on the Miss River is a future leg of I69 that will run from Indianapolis to Houston. Libertyland was buried in the middle of Memphis and land locked at the time. I amount of vacationers that cross cross that region is very heavy.

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby Jew » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:31 pm

As I have said numerous times in this thread, I think the main problem the park had is not doing anything to get people away from the beach/resorts they were staying it. It probably could have survived if they partnered with local hotels/resorts and offered a good, free, shuttle network.
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Postby Guy T. Koepp » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:48 pm

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby vcgjr76 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:46 pm

I have been looking up things on HRP for the past week. Came across an interesting article on HRP. I searched this forum and did not see it posted any where. If it is, you can delete this. A really good read that I like to see debated here. The article goes from the original concept to why the park failed. This will get you started.

http://themeparkuniversity.com/backstage-access/hard-rock-park-1-the-birth-of-the-worlds-first-rock-n-roll-theme-park/

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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby Rollercoaster Rider » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:55 pm

Jew wrote:As I have said numerous times in this thread, I think the main problem the park had is not doing anything to get people away from the beach/resorts they were staying it. It probably could have survived if they partnered with local hotels/resorts and offered a good, free, shuttle network.



It could've survived somewhere else. If it was near Nashville, It would be operating and booming!
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Re: Hard Rock / Freestyle Music Park Discussion Thread

Postby OldJJman » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:07 pm

vcgjr76 wrote: The article goes from the original concept to why the park failed.


It's an interesting look at the park, but when the story gets finished, you'll still never see the real reason that the park(s) failed.



No offense, but there are 257 pages before this one that very thoroughly cover that discussion.

The bottom line is this (which NONE of the experts, insiders, or creators of HRP will ever admit to, because if they did - it would mean that they had an initial catastrophic misjudgment): the per capita income of residents and tourists to the area simply could not sustain a large amusement park, especially with a $50 admission.

Myrtle Beach residents and tourists couldn't sustain a park 1/5 the size (that was always busy), Myrtle Beach Pavillion. Nor could they sustain an outlet shopping mall which stood vacant for years on that very site HRP was built on. They barely sustain Family Kingdom, only 3 miles away.

The three most important things in business are:

1. Location
2. Location
3. Location

It was built in a very BAD location.

You will find in the previous 257 pages many, many predictions, before the park even opened, of the park's demise. Once it opened, and a few people here had visited, those people said "get there while you can - it won't last".

We knew this, but because we don't have financial backing, or certain corporate sponsors, we "don't know what we're talking about".

Yet the park failed. Twice. By people that KNOW what they are doing.

They will NEVER admit that it's a bad location. Never.


Rollercoaster Rider wrote:It could've survived somewhere else. If it was near Nashville, It would be operating and booming!


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