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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby Lotologist492 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:12 pm

southpuddle wrote:Was there much complaining with Steel Vengeance? Maybe the name. I remember that announcement being pretty well-received. It was a coaster designed for enthusiasts after all.

And as with every announcement, I feel like there are more people complaining about the complainers than there are complainers in the first place. There are literally two people who haven’t said “Looks great! So excited!” And then two dozen people complaining about their ungratefulness. Oh, well. Looks great! So excited!

There are readers over on some of the Six Flags discussion pages resisting the strong urge to throw things right about now....

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby mordecai-75 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:44 pm

All i have to say to all the complaining folks is that if the Kings Island crowd ain't happy with it, they can send that bad boy down here to Dollywood. It would fit in real nice with our current line up. No wait, that big wave turn after the first drop goes to the left just like the one on Lightning Rod, and the color scheme is way to similar to that of Wild Eagle. I mean it don't go backwards at all like Firechaser does. Nevermind, they can just keep it! ;)

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby DILinator » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:19 pm

DBru wrote:
DILinator wrote:Thanks to anybody who actually read this epic tome, and if you did, hopefully you found it interesting, and thought provoking!


Absolutely! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Your passion and enthusiasm is super uplifting and appreciated. I don’t think anything you had to say was too “out-there”, and hopefully, to the benefit of all of us, you’re right about some of your guesses!

Intelligent speculation is always fun when it comes to coaster announcements. But regardless of the specific details Kings Island unveils tonight, I hope we can all agree that this is going to be a world-class coaster!


Thanks for your kind words, and thanks for reading it, and letting me know my hour and a half spent writing it was not in vain! :lol: I just love coasters, and amusement parks, and everything surrounding them, so it's fun for me to spend time thinking about them and coming up with imaginative ideas! Been doing it ever since I went to CP as a 4 year, old, and don't plan on stopping anytime soon, just because some people don't care for it! ;) Virtually none of my predictions/suggestions came to be (at least not that we know of, or not yet), but that's no big deal to me, and Orion definitely is a world class coaster, and fits my definition of having FUN, above all else, on a coaster!

Mike240SX wrote:I swear I heard the crowd chanting "Kiga." I hate my life.


Yikes! If other people enjoying this announcement and expressing themselves in a fun and humorous way makes you feel that way about your life... :omg:

pǝʇɹǝʌuı wrote:I went with RAWKIN and DIL to the announcement and we had a blast! People here are hyped; this is going to be a good ride! The park was nice and dead today, too, so we got on quite a few rides. Guys this forum is a cool place.

Anyway, someone pointed out a backward blue racer train from the animation on their insta story. Could it be true...?


It was great meeting you, and I hope we can hang out at a park again sometime! The day really was a blast, and the deadness of the park was unexpected, but amazing! Also, I'd love to see blue racer backwards again! When I rode it backwards back in the early 2000's, it was a blast, and one of my favorite coasters in the park! It's definitely not that anymore, so turning it backwards couldn't hurt!

SharkTums wrote:This hobby has to remain FUN and positive. I can't tell you how much more I've enjoyed our trips and park visits since I stopped counting 'credits' and stopped riding crap! I wish that I could convince all of the enthusiasts to do the same and it would really improve your park time!

Oh - And you all should have known that Cedar Point wouldn't actually let Kings Island get anything that would outshine them! =)


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I agree completely about the importance of FUN in this hobby, and that's what I'm always looking for when I go to a park, typically with my growing kids. I also no longer ride crap, or just credit whore for coasters I'm not interested in, and my coaster counting is somewhat casual, as I have three lists, all with different numbers, and different things counted as coasters, and not counted as coasters, and I don't actually know how many I've ridden, nor do I care. It definitely leads to an improvement in overall experience, at least in my opinion.

And yes, I think you've hit the nail on the head with your last comment there! :lol:

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i305isdaddy wrote:I think it’s crazy to suggest that I'M TOO MUCH OF AN IDIOT TO SPELL STEEL VENGEANCE hasn’t helped their bottom line. It’s a huge draw and pulls 2 hour lines all day. It’s known worldwide as the best coaster.

There is no denying that swaths of people worldwide consider Steel Vengeance to be the #1 roller coaster in the world. However, Cedar Point received a larger percentage gain in attendance in 2016, the year that Valravn opened, than they did in 2018, when Steel Vengeance opened (2.8% in 2016 vs 2.0% in 2018, according to the TEA Theme Index). I don't think it's too far off for casual park-goers to think that A) Steel Vengeance is a little TOO crazy and B) it's in essence the new and improved version of Mean Streak, which some older people may "have ridden before".

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm NOT suggesting that Cedar Point shouldn't have built Steel Vengeance at all.

I think some of us underestimate the appeal of a roller coaster that LOOKS imposing, and monstrous, and scary, to the general public. People dare their friends to ride the biggest and baddest coaster in the park. It's the stuff that casual YouTube viewers look for reactions to. If a scary-looking coaster that happens to be smooth and re-rideable is what the park wants, then that's what the park gets. They certainly know how to run their park better than most of us do.


Let me say from personal experience, as somebody who rarely ever goes to parks with enthusiasts (well, other than my own kids!), this is spot-on, what I've experienced! I went a bunch the year Valravn came out with non-enthusiasts, and then again last year with SV. It honestly doesn't surprise me, based on what I heard from the people I went with, as well as the other people around the park, and near the new coasters, that Valravn's year brought in more people than SV. There's just something about imposing B&M Dive Coasters the GP eat up, and this new Giga is no different! At the announcement last night, I was surrounded by soccer moms and dads, and their kids, and when the animation started playing and the kids saw it, they went nuts, and their parents were excited too. As much as I think SV is the best coaster out there, I totally understand it being a bit much for your average park-goer, and them preferring something like Valravn, or Orion.

pǝʇɹǝʌuı wrote:DIL mentioned in his prediction post about tunnels and theming and the like. We who went to the announcement were all a little surprised that Orion doesn’t appear to have that much theming. From a marketing standpoint, I think the ride itself is a big enough draw compared to a ride like Mystic, so I get why there isn’t more theming. I also get why KI might not spend the extra money to spice up Area 72 this year after spending so much on this beast of a coaster. But looking to the future, how likely do you think it is that they’ll add a tunnel like on Leviathan and some more theming in Area 72? I’m already impressed with how well Orion’s theme matches FoF, and I think the park could do a ton with the area. I personally would love to see a tunnel but looking from a practical standpoint I’m not sure how much of a draw it would have.


Personally, I think we will see some other "themeing" elements over time, and that could certainly include tunnels, and possibly a few other surprise touches they wanted to save for people's first actual experience on the coaster. There is going to be a brief "show building" the queue goes through, so that's something, and it wouldn't surprise me if there are other minor things that will complement the coaster that didn't need to be mentioned at the announcement.

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robbalvey wrote:Nope. And he's been banned because of it.


This is my favorite post of the day.

This is what it says on why he was banned when he logs back into the forum:

"Banned for being an asshole. Let me make it clear... You are NOT being banned for "having an opinion", you are being banned for being an asshole."

Is that your new favorite post of the day? :lol: :lmao:


In all honesty Robb, you were incredibly patient, and tolerant of him, for quite a while now! Every time I saw him post something else, I was a little surprised he hadn't been banned yet! So nobody can say he wasn't given a fair shake. I hate to ever see anybody get banned, but I will NOT be sad to see that pervasive negativity go, so sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do, for the betterment of the forum. And yes, that was my favorite post of the day! :lol: :lmao:

southpuddle wrote:And as with every announcement, I feel like there are more people complaining about the complainers than there are complainers in the first place. There are literally two people who haven’t said “Looks great! So excited!” And then two dozen people complaining about their ungratefulness. Oh, well. Looks great! So excited!


I agree with you here. I've actually been surprised by how few negative Nelly's there have been in here since the announcement, but that's great! I think the complaining about the complainers after a major announcement has almost become a more cliche and predictable epidemic than the complaining, at least in these parts! But now we're starting a new trend... Complaining about the complainers about the complaining! :lol:

Regarding a couple of other topics people have brought up:

I don't understand anybody saying KI doesn't have a standout attraction currently! For me, it's hard to decide which of their 3 standout coasters is my favorite, they're all so awesome! I'll never understand the minimizing of Banshee's intensity, because as I can attest to from my visit just the other day, it's definitely intense, and fun, with a great and unique layout. That's why I prefer it to the more notoriously intense Raptor and Batman clones, and will take it over any of them every day, and twice on Sunday! Mystic Timbers was absolutely hauling the other day, and dishing out airtime like there's no tomorrow! And while Diamondback pulled a no-show for its soon to be big brother's big day, I love that Hyper, and have had some of the more sustained out of my seat airtime on that coaster that I've ever had! So adding a Giga to this standout collection is almost unfair, and just keeps KI firmly planted as my #2 favorite park!

Along those lines, anybody complaining or even slightly disappointed about this coaster, should absolutely take a look to the West, as I'm sure anybody in the Western half of the country would absolutely love to have this coaster near them! Those of us in the Midwest/East are truly spoiled, when it comes to having insanely epic coasters all around us! Again, circling back to what Elissa and I mentioned above, it's all about having FUN, and that's what we should all be focusing on in regards to Orion, and this hobby in general! =)
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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby Mike240SX » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:36 pm

DILinator wrote:
Mike240SX wrote:I swear I heard the crowd chanting "Kiga." I hate my life.


Yikes! If other people enjoying this announcement and expressing themselves in a fun and humorous way makes you feel that way about your life... :omg:


'Twas just a joke to express my dislike of the term, that's all. I don't actually hate my life because of people using it. :p
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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby DILinator » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:47 pm

Mike240SX wrote:
DILinator wrote:
Mike240SX wrote:I swear I heard the crowd chanting "Kiga." I hate my life.


Yikes! If other people enjoying this announcement and expressing themselves in a fun and humorous way makes you feel that way about your life... :omg:


'Twas just a joke to express my dislike of the term, that's all. I don't actually hate my life because of people using it. :p


Good to know! ;)

But I still love KIGA, and plan on getting a shirt made to wear next year to KI just to annoy people who can't enjoy a little fun with the humorous nickname! :p
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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby Honorarius » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:23 am

I think the lack of negativity in here is a result of the people swinging the ban hammer having enough of peoples shit and giving them the boot. If they were going to be an asshat about this, they were likely already an asshat about something else previously and got tossed off the cliff.

In corners of the internet where the powers that be feel that member count/views is more important than oxygen, negativity over Orion abounds.

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby prozach626 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:18 am

DILinator wrote:I don't understand anybody saying KI doesn't have a standout attraction currently!

Yeah, I didn't quite understand that either. Diamondback, Banshee, and Beast are all large scale standout attractions in my eyes. I think I can weigh in on that pretty heavily, since my home park is SFStl.

Also, sorry. I don't think I replied to your TR, but I also enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby WolfBobs » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:33 am

Post announcement negativity is minor because so much was leaked before hand I think most people on here knew exactly what to expect.

Pre-announcement negativity was definitely abound as blueprints leaked and armchair engineers figured it all out.

TPR does a good job of squashing the entitled a**holes that are found on a lot of other forums and that's why I spend most of my time here.

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Re: Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

Postby pǝʇɹǝʌuı » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:03 am

DILinator wrote:Personally, I think we will see some other "themeing" elements over time, and that could certainly include tunnels, and possibly a few other surprise touches they wanted to save for people's first actual experience on the coaster. There is going to be a brief "show building" the queue goes through, so that's something, and it wouldn't surprise me if there are other minor things that will complement the coaster that didn't need to be mentioned at the announcement.


Oh, that's cool! I hadn't heard about the show building, was it in one of the press releases that I missed? I think that would work out really well, actually. FoF's theming was in full effect yesterday, and that's pretty much all in the queue, so if its anything like that it will be awesome. And again, I can't stress enough how amazing these two rides are going to complement each other.

DILinator wrote:
southpuddle wrote:And as with every announcement, I feel like there are more people complaining about the complainers than there are complainers in the first place. There are literally two people who haven’t said “Looks great! So excited!” And then two dozen people complaining about their ungratefulness. Oh, well. Looks great! So excited!


I agree with you here. I've actually been surprised by how few negative Nelly's there have been in here since the announcement, but that's great! I think the complaining about the complainers after a major announcement has almost become a more cliche and predictable epidemic than the complaining, at least in these parts! But now we're starting a new trend... Complaining about the complainers about the complaining! :lol:


I've definitely noticed this across the board, not just on TPR. But, like WolfBobs mentioned, pre-announcement negativity was rampant. I think we as a collective enthusiast/KI community got it out of our systems early, weeded out the haters, and helped people to see the bright sides of this announcement.

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DILinator wrote:I don't understand anybody saying KI doesn't have a standout attraction currently!

Yeah, I didn't quite understand that either. Diamondback, Banshee, and Beast are all large scale standout attractions in my eyes. I think I can weigh in on that pretty heavily, since my home park is SFStl.

Also, sorry. I don't think I replied to your TR, but I also enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing!


It's easy for an enthusiast from across the country to look at KI on RCDB and not see anything that they consider worth traveling for compared to, say, Cedar Point or SFGAdv. On the flip side, it's easy for locals (and others who know enough to actually make the trip) to love the coaster collection they have in their backyard. It's a kinda weird middle ground that Orion fits in perfectly. Pardon my strong bias, but I would absolutely recommend making the trip :D

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