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Postby ebl » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:52 pm

"It makes little to no sense to have both a B&M invert and floorless in the same park, as they create the exact same riding experience" (Bolliger&Mabillard)

SFMM has both a Batman inverted, and a floorless (Scream!), and they are located close to each other in the park. To me, the riding experience isn't that similar. In SFMM's case, Batman is more forceful than Scream!, and Scream! has different kinds of inversions.

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Postby Bolliger&Mabillard » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:05 am

Scream! is a pointless ride to me. it isn't as forceful as batman, though it hits speeds 15 mph faster than batman. Scream was just a filler coaster that got pulled from another park to be put into SFMM to keep the coaster record as cedar point also opened their 16th rollercoaster in 2003. I still think that ride doesnt fit into the park, hence why Ninja (yes...even ninja) gets longer lines than scream in peak season

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Postby Bolliger&Mabillard » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:19 am

EBL wrote:"It makes little to no sense to have both a B&M invert and floorless in the same park, as they create the exact same riding experience" (Bolliger&Mabillard)

SFMM has both a Batman inverted, and a floorless (Scream!), and they are located close to each other in the park. To me, the riding experience isn't that similar. In SFMM's case, Batman is more forceful than Scream!, and Scream! has different kinds of inversions.

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batman and scream are unfair comparisons because the batman clones were all designed by stengel. the last B&M designed by stengel was Riddler's revenge, after that, B&M started designing in-house. for those in california, compare scream to silver bullet at Knott's bery farm and notice that with the exception of a mid course and interlocking corkscrews on scream, they can technically be the same ride

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Postby Scaparri » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:21 am

Bolliger&Mabillard wrote:Scream! is a pointless ride to me. it isn't as forceful as batman, though it hits speeds 15 mph faster than batman. Scream was just a filler coaster that got pulled from another park to be put into SFMM to keep the coaster record as cedar point also opened their 16th rollercoaster in 2003. I still think that ride doesnt fit into the park, hence why Ninja (yes...even ninja) gets longer lines than scream in peak season


I definitely agree that it was just a filler coaster and doesn't fit into the park in its current state. That entire area is the only section of the park I don't care for. They were just so careless with it. I would love to see the current management overhaul that area. I'd like to see them tear out as much of the parking lot as they can and re-theme it to something that isn't stupid. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they threw a bunch of gravel down over the parking lot. They need to do something to make it look a little better though.

As for the coaster itself, I personally thought it was the second or third best coaster there. Yeah, it's not as forceful as Batman, but it still puts out some pretty good forces and gives a much longer ride.

However, I don't think inverts and floorless coasters give anywhere near the same ride experience. They are completely different. The zero-g rolls are just one example. They are absolutely nothing a like. Heck, for the most part, floorless coasters just like normal sit-down coasters unless you are in the front row.

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Postby Bolliger&Mabillard » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:44 am

the zero g roll on a floorless is very similar to an in-line twist on an invert. no im not bad mouthing floorless rides. i hear hydra and medusa west are actually pretty damn good, but scream is just a 3 minute bore-fest. i rode dominator when it was a guaqua lake, and it was a lot smmother than scream and had a turn after the first loop, which i thought was cool cause most all b&m's go into another inversion after the vertical loop, which kills the speed.

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Postby GuruGuys » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:10 pm

Bolliger&Mabillard wrote:
coasterking2981 wrote:Like the colors. Wonder why they went with a design identical( or similiar) to the Batman coasters at other Six Flags parks. But great TR!! :b


1) It makes little to no sense to have both a B&M invert and floorless in the same park, as they create the exact same riding experience

2) 105 foot coaster with a 90 foot drop...and you call it goliath?

3) no one is as big a fan of batman clones as I, (my fav. coaster at SFMM after X), but with SFOT a suitible drive away, it would have been more fitting to see a custom ride go in to this park

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These points have been well covered in the official announcement thread for this ride. Initially I thought that your point 3 was the most effective (even more effective when you note that there is another Batman only 30 minutes away at Seaworld), but the more coasters I ride the more I start to respect Batman. I have a low coaster count, and was under the impression that Batman was the McDonalds of coasters, but after hitting Knotts and SFMM this week my opinions of changed. Batman was better than Silver Bullet and Scream, in my opinion, with Scream being very boring and Silver Bullet having a few good elements. Now in retrospect, I don't see it as that big of a deal to have Batmans at adjacent parks as it is a very good coaster and provides a good baseline for my coaster experiences.

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Postby Footballteen58 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:42 am

I can't wait to go here this summer when i go to Texas.........i doubt ill have the money or my parents will for the flash pass and the front seat on Goliath though. Looking foward to it, itll be my first Six Flags ever.

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Postby Yankee cannonball » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:44 pm

^^unless you were insulting batman, expect elissa at your house in the middle of the night with a machete and?or chainsaw.

also, that paint on goliath is so new that the lack of wear makes it look like a 3-D rendering!

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Postby Bolliger&Mabillard » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:35 pm

So how's that "Flashpass for the front" thing still holding up? They need to ditch that before i gon in June! Or else!...Or else!...Someone will get an agry letterb

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