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Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:01 pm
by thrillseeker4552
^This is probably my best guess as well.

I also just want to mention that I had an awesome front row ride on Riddler last Sunday. It still runs remarkably well and is one of my favorite B&M loopers out there, if not my favorite.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:21 pm
by Kylis
Tarnhi18 wrote:Apologies if in the wrong place - we are planning to visit SFMM on the 27th August from the UK.
Should we look to buy the Fastpass for this day in advance? Getting conflicting websites saying it’ll be empty to it could be rammed (as if a quiet day they reduce all the capacity on coasters)


Tuesdays are pretty light, you should be fine without one.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:12 pm
by Arthur_Seaton
thrillseeker4552 wrote:I also just want to mention that I had an awesome front row ride on Riddler last Sunday. It still runs remarkably well and is one of my favorite B&M loopers out there, if not my favorite.

I'm not a fan of stand-ups at all and I'm not particularly into B&M loopers — especially when it feels like a ride is just a catalog of stock elements. I rode it in the front on Sunday as well and it was indeed good. The last few times I've ridden it, it's boxed my ears in pretty bad, but not this time.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:31 pm
by SteVeUrkle
TatsuXtreme wrote:I just hope that while they're waiting on the part, they take the time to give the trains the refurbishment they need, buuut, I don't have my hopes too high on that one.


You gotta understand, it's A LOT of work for the already overworked mechanics at the park to take a train apart like X2, haul it to the complete other corner of the park (where the refurb shed is), have the entire train refurbished, then hauled all the way back to the other side of the park to be placed back on the track. This isn't Disney efficiency we're talking about, it's a tough job! And they're dealing with very heavy cars that they have to be extremely careful with!

One thing about Magic Mountain (Six Flags) most people don't get, is they keep adding coasters and rides that need daily maintenance, but they DON'T increase the number of mechanics needed to operate all the coasters proportionately. So, they do what they can with what they have, and the spaces they have to work backstage with are literally the same they've been for decades.

When a ride like X2 goes down for parts, or Apocalypse goes down due to a new ride addition, the mechanics take a sigh of relief as that is a LITERAL break from having to inspect/upkeep the ride for a couple weeks/months/years.

This is not a Magic Mountain specific issue, this really is corporate decisions squeezing everything they can out of the personnel who IMO really are already underpaid and work their butts off.

As shared NUMEROUS times in this thread over countless years, the park/Six Flags needs to drop this coaster/ride addition crap like 10 years ago, and really focus on what they have and maintaining THAT up to quality standards. The park/corporate refuses to do so and therefore things fall behind, get delayed and half assed, and you see the same issues repeating themselves and snowballing into a lot of what we see at the park today.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:41 pm
by thrillseeker4552
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Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:42 pm
by DoinItForTheFame
I still think for this years “new attraction” they are just going to re-announce West Coast Racers as “New For 2020!”

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:10 pm
by Kylis
Arthur_Seaton wrote:
thrillseeker4552 wrote:I also just want to mention that I had an awesome front row ride on Riddler last Sunday. It still runs remarkably well and is one of my favorite B&M loopers out there, if not my favorite.

I'm not a fan of stand-ups at all and I'm not particularly into B&M loopers — especially when it feels like a ride is just a catalog of stock elements. I rode it in the front on Sunday as well and it was indeed good. The last few times I've ridden it, it's boxed my ears in pretty bad, but not this time.


The center seats (like any 4 across coaster) are fairly smooth while the edge seats are a bit whippy. guessing you more than likely sat on edge seats before but center seats recently.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:54 pm
by Arthur_Seaton
Kylis wrote:
Arthur_Seaton wrote:The center seats (like any 4 across coaster) are fairly smooth while the edge seats are a bit whippy. guessing you more than likely sat on edge seats before but center seats recently.

Nah, it was the edge, but the front is always a little less brutal I find. I don't ride it often and I think the last time I rode it, it must have been just prior to a maintenance cycle. Scream can be similar: usually, it's smooth but it can get super rough and rattly too.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:59 am
by MagicMountainMan
SteVeUrkle wrote:
TatsuXtreme wrote:I just hope that while they're waiting on the part, they take the time to give the trains the refurbishment they need, buuut, I don't have my hopes too high on that one.


You gotta understand, it's A LOT of work for the already overworked mechanics at the park to take a train apart like X2, haul it to the complete other corner of the park (where the refurb shed is), have the entire train refurbished, then hauled all the way back to the other side of the park to be placed back on the track. This isn't Disney efficiency we're talking about, it's a tough job! And they're dealing with very heavy cars that they have to be extremely careful with!

One thing about Magic Mountain (Six Flags) most people don't get, is they keep adding coasters and rides that need daily maintenance, but they DON'T increase the number of mechanics needed to operate all the coasters proportionately. So, they do what they can with what they have, and the spaces they have to work backstage with are literally the same they've been for decades.

When a ride like X2 goes down for parts, or Apocalypse goes down due to a new ride addition, the mechanics take a sigh of relief as that is a LITERAL break from having to inspect/upkeep the ride for a couple weeks/months/years.

This is not a Magic Mountain specific issue, this really is corporate decisions squeezing everything they can out of the personnel who IMO really are already underpaid and work their butts off.

As shared NUMEROUS times in this thread over countless years, the park/Six Flags needs to drop this coaster/ride addition crap like 10 years ago, and really focus on what they have and maintaining THAT up to quality standards. The park/corporate refuses to do so and therefore things fall behind, get delayed and half assed, and you see the same issues repeating themselves and snowballing into a lot of what we see at the park today.

To further clarify this, amusement parks allocate budgets differently according to the type of work that has to be done. So the typical daily/weekly/yearly preventative manufacturer specified maintenance always has some sort of budget since it's work that has to be done. Stuff that goes above and beyond typical preventative maintenance (like train refurbishments and the like) is also budgeted on a schedule, but at a much much lower priority. So if something unplanned happens, like now, there is no "extra" budget to throw at an accelerated train refurbishment just because the timing would be convenient. That's the unfortunate reality at Six Flags Magic Mountain.

Also, ride mechanics and electricians aren't necessarily ever grossly understaffed but sometimes they do struggle (these are the people responsible for the vast majority of the daily PMs), however Cycle Shop and the other shops on property are almost always perennially understaffed as those jobs don't pay nearly as well as a ride mechanic or ride electrician. This is why Magic Mountain is almost always behind on scheduled train refurbishments and when incidents like the Ninja accident from a few years back really screw with the park.

In somewhat related news, the entire park is on a corporate mandated 10% budget cut until the end of the year. The park is now looking at ways to save money in any way possible. Justice League has been opening at noon or later due to cuts. Staffing has decreased. Entertainment at the park (what is left of it) has been cut down to almost nothing. There will be no show in the Gearworks Theater until next summer and Fright Fest has gotten its budget cut as well. Every department is being affected



Personal opinion time: It seems as if Six Flags is headed down the same path that lead them to the 2005/2006 shareholder revolt and takeover and the subsequent bankruptcy. This time they are hedging with monthly flat fee memberships and in park advertising which takes away some of the volatility of guest visitation trends, however to me it's as if Six Flags is playing a type of business Jenga: keep pulling pieces out of the tower to see just how little of the tower is actually needed to be functional. Their debt is also as high as it has ever been. I know that their financials are good right now and it's a hot take, but seeing Six Flags slash budgets at a time when all the other theme park chains are pouring money into their parks leaves me skeptical. The regional theme park market is fickle, and if something big enough or bad enough were to happen at even a single park it could kneecap the entire chain.

Re: The Six Flags Magic Mountain (SFMM) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:14 am
by Dombot
DoinItForTheFame wrote:I still think for this years “new attraction” they are just going to re-announce West Coast Racers as “New For 2020!”

That would be the funniest thing ever and I hate that it sounds like an actual thing Six Flags would do. :lol: