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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby ytterbiumanalyst » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:34 pm

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ytterbiumanalyst wrote:SFSTL makes a small profit each year, enough that small investments each year make sense. We don't get giant new coasters, but we do get fun, small rides. And there is a combo ticket of sorts: Six Flags always pushes Gold season pass sales by saying Great America is included. Those typically go for $6/mo., or $72, which is about the same as the CP/KI combo pass anyway.

Obviously none of us know the impact of Covid, but up to now SFSTL has been sustainable.



Em, the only pass you can buy that will get you into both Cedar Point and Kings Island is $200.

No, that's not true. They sell a pass that is one day at CP and one day at KI for $65.

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby sfkk » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:19 pm

ytterbiumanalyst wrote:
sfkk wrote:
ytterbiumanalyst wrote:SFSTL makes a small profit each year, enough that small investments each year make sense. We don't get giant new coasters, but we do get fun, small rides. And there is a combo ticket of sorts: Six Flags always pushes Gold season pass sales by saying Great America is included. Those typically go for $6/mo., or $72, which is about the same as the CP/KI combo pass anyway.

Obviously none of us know the impact of Covid, but up to now SFSTL has been sustainable.



Em, the only pass you can buy that will get you into both Cedar Point and Kings Island is $200.

No, that's not true. They sell a pass that is one day at CP and one day at KI for $65.

https://cf-ki.secure-cdn.cf.accessoticketing.com/packageDetails/10057672/keyword/coastercombo?_cid=1592168972.1588206762



Thats called a ticket not a pass but ok if you are comparing a whole season at one park with a day at another I think that’s indicative of a pretty significant quality difference or a better pricing model.

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby ytterbiumanalyst » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:26 pm

Yeah, it's significantly better. I was responding to Coasters & Lamps who mentioned the KI/CP combo ticket/pass/whatever (I have ZERO interest in arguing semantics), and was wondering why Six Flags didn't do the same thing with St. Louis and Great America. I brought up Six Flags' Gold Pass as a superior product at basically the same price point. Make sense?

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby sfkk » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:02 pm

ytterbiumanalyst wrote:Yeah, it's significantly better. I was responding to Coasters & Lamps who mentioned the KI/CP combo ticket/pass/whatever (I have ZERO interest in arguing semantics), and was wondering why Six Flags didn't do the same thing with St. Louis and Great America. I brought up Six Flags' Gold Pass as a superior product at basically the same price point. Make sense?



I think if the only way you can sell a Six Flags St Louis pass is by saying that you get Great America too then there is something majorly wrong with that. Six Flags has pricing integrity in all the wrong ways. A one day guest without pre-purchased tickets can not get in and out of the park for a day with 2 meals for under $120 dollars. Thats why Spanos said they need to get day ticket holders back. All the people who were open minded enough to give Six Flags a try for a day were probably royally pissed off. It doesnt help when you see people walking around with their diamond lanyards too cutting the line for the ride you are about to ride. As a passholder I love it, but as a normal person (who is what they need, families with disposable income instead of teens and people that use the dining plan 56 times a season for dinner after work) I would feel beyond worthless. At least ill remember to hold onto my buns though (yeah, that was a real six flags ad).
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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby SteveStL » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:54 pm

I love to see Six Flags St Louis owned locally, then it will get all the undivided attention it needs. Remove all the current nonsense theming ... ie American Thunder in World's Fair ??? it is obvious they did this to keep all the crappy Evel Knievel Motorcycle props. The Comet, paying homage to the old St Louis Highland's Coaster in Forest Park would be an excellent name. I doubt any Six Flags brass would know about the Highlands.
Anyhow... Hope that made sense, just my 2 cents

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby sfkk » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:17 pm

SteveStL wrote:I love to see Six Flags St Louis owned locally, then it will get all the undivided attention it needs. Remove all the current nonsense theming ... ie American Thunder in World's Fair ??? it is obvious they did this to keep all the crappy Evel Knievel Motorcycle props. The Comet, paying homage to the old St Louis Highland's Coaster in Forest Park would be an excellent name. I doubt any Six Flags brass would know about the Highlands.
Anyhow... Hope that made sense, just my 2 cents



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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby prozach626 » Mon May 04, 2020 8:42 am

^This. I'm not trashing SFStl. I've really come to appreciate it for what it is. But, it's not what I would prefer.

Cedar Fair parks offer better opportunities for relaxed adulting. CF usually has decent patio and dining areas which are nice places to relax, enjoy a beer, people watch, and absorb the atmosphere. CP, KI, and Carowinds do this really well. The closest comparison I can make at SFSTL is JB's. It's decent, but last year the bar area was cluttered a shithole.

I guess if I were a teenager I would prefer SF over CF. But as an adult, I'd rather bring my family to a CF park, even if I have to pay a little extra. I like our ride collection better than WoF, but their atmosphere is great.

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby thisdougsforu » Wed May 13, 2020 12:00 pm

prozach626 wrote:^This. I'm not trashing SFStl. I've really come to appreciate it for what it is. But, it's not what I would prefer.

Cedar Fair parks offer better opportunities for relaxed adulting. CF usually has decent patio and dining areas which are nice places to relax, enjoy a beer, people watch, and absorb the atmosphere. CP, KI, and Carowinds do this really well. The closest comparison I can make at SFSTL is JB's. It's decent, but last year the bar area was cluttered a shithole.

I guess if I were a teenager I would prefer SF over CF. But as an adult, I'd rather bring my family to a CF park, even if I have to pay a little extra. I like our ride collection better than WoF, but their atmosphere is great.



I am very late to this discussion having actually not visited TPR since this covid stuff started, so apologies for chiming in two weeks later.

The things brought up here are things I've been thinking about but couldn't really define. The CF parks feel less chaotic, even when there are a lot more people. It's not even a ride-ops thing or employees running the booths thing (well, it kind of is but i digress), it's just that that everything feels more professional.

The constant licensing of things at Six Flags has always been confusing to me. I would assume it's quite expensive to license Batman/Superman etc and not only does it seem completely unnecessary to spend it (i.e. a good ride is a good ride- Millenium Force would not be made better if it was licensed after the Flash or something) but it also actively hurts theming as the SF parks are a mess of themes/heroes.

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby prozach626 » Thu May 14, 2020 10:12 am

I actually feel like the licensing makes the park feel a lot more juvenile. That's just a personal dislike, though. I'm nearly 35 years old and riding rides themed to a superheros... I have a bit of a bias.

I'm a lot more into landscaping and cleanliness than I am themeing. Sea World/Busch seems to do a good job of having the maximum amount of themeing, but just shy of feeling corny or juvenile. The presentation is of higher quality. The parks are beautiful. Cedar Fair makes a similar attempt.

SF has its place. I can't expect everything to be catered to us. The closest analogy I can think of is, "Even bad pizza is still good." Most days I'd rather have a good local wood fired pizza. But, I'm still down for some little Caesars and I almost never regret it. I've had some real shit experiences at parks, more often at SF parks, but I've rarely walked away thinking that I wish I'd been at home watching Netflix.

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Re: Six Flags St. Louis (SFStL) Discussion Thread

Postby SharkTums » Thu May 14, 2020 8:02 pm

^Well put.

...and now I want crappy pizza!

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