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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby Anac0nda » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:03 am

Hey guys!

I will be travelling to Gardaland and Mirabilandia on the first week of May. Any tips on rides, shows, food or anything would be greatly appreciated! In Garda I'm most looking forward to riding Raptor :b

I hope the crowds won't be that bad because it's not yet high season. I will be travelling by train/public transport and staying most likely in the park's own hotels (I loved Heide's Abenteuerhotel!). At the moment it's one day at Gardaland and two days at Mirabilandia, but I'm also thinking about having an extra day at Garda as well.

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby LeoBruz199 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:04 am

Well. This year, Gardaland has officially hit a new low.

Shaman, the new restyle of the historic Magic Mountain roller coaster, was supposed to incorporate Virtual Reality. After opening day, which was when the ride was SUPPOSED to open, the VR System continued to have various technical difficulties. Many theorize that it is because it uses the same VR system as Galactica at Alton Towers which has proved to be not very reliable, but TBH I'm not the one who has exact answers. Whatever the cause, the VR System could not operate until a few days ago (I don't know the exact date, but the earliest reviews of the ride date to July 6th). Anyhow, the ride continued to operate without VR no problem. This article explains both the functionalities and problems of the new system, but the highlights and their translations are as follows (I have only shown here the parts where it mentions the problems the ride has. I have also left out any parts which mention smartphone hardware, since it is still not clear whether or not Shaman uses smartphone based VR headset):

Shaman Gardaland, funzionamento e problemi del VR coaster
Quest’anno la novità di Gardaland si chiama Shaman, e consiste nella conversione delle vecchie Magic Mountain in un roller coaster con la realtà virtuale.

L’azienda scelta per sviluppare il progetto è la britannica Figment Productions. Una firma autorevole nel settore virtual reality, che ha già lavorato con Merlin Entertainments recentemente (per Galactica ad Alton Towers e Gost Train a Thorpe Park).

Il mistero di Shaman a Gardaland

Non è chiaro se l’hardware utilizzato per il roller coaster di Gardaland sia esattamente lo stesso usato ad Alton Towers. Tuttavia è certo che qualcosa non funziona come previsto. Dopo una breve apertura per la stampa, e tanta pubblicità, la realtà virtuale non è mai entrata in funzione per il pubblico. Non ci sono dichiarazioni ufficiali ed il parco denuncia solo un temporaneo problema tecnico. Il fatto che la VR non venga utilizzata nemmeno parzialmente, per alcune ore della giornata, denota che il problema è importante, e potrebbe essere in corso una controversia con il fornitore. Sono passati quasi due mesi senza una soluzione. Se si trattasse solo di un componente malfunzionante, non sarebbe stato facile sostituirlo in pochi giorni?

Le criticità

Ultimo ma non meno importante, questo tipo di attrazioni sono soggette e problemi di sincronizzazione (timing). Non è raro che il video sui visori sia in ritardo oppure in anticipo rispetto alla posizione reale del treno. Quando accade, le sensazioni percepite dal visitatore non sono coerenti con le immagini che sta vedendo. Questa circostanza, oltre che fastidiosa, può comportare alcuni problemi più seri.


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Shaman Gardaland, the functions and problems of the VR Coaster
This year, gardaland's newest addition is called Shaman, and it consists of a conversion of the old Magic Mountain into a VR roller coaster.

The company chosen for the project's development is the British firm Figment Productions. A notable firm in the VR sector, which has already worked for Merlin Entertainments recently (for Galactica at Alton Towers and Derren Brown's Ghost Train at Thorpe Park).

Shaman's mystery, at Gardaland

It is not clear if the hardware used for Gardaland's roller coaster is exactly the one used for Alton Towers'. However, it is certain that something isn't working as expected. After a short opening for the medias, and lots of advertisement, the VR was never available for the public. There are no official declarations and the park is calling it a temporary technical issue. The fact that the VR system is not even being used partially, even for just for a few hours a day, shows that the problem is important, and there could be some controversy surrounding the manufacturer. Almost two months have passed with no solutions (this article was written way back in May). If it really were about just one dysfunctional component, would it not have been easy to just replace it in a few days?

The critical issues

Last but not least important, is that these rides are subject to syncing problems. Delay on the videos is not a rare phenomenon. When this happens, the sensations perceived by the guests are not consistent with what is seen on the screen. Other than it just being an annoyance, this may lead to even bigger problems.


The real problem is that whilst the ride was having issues with VR for several months, the park was already advertising it as a new addition. And not as a small one, either. Their TV campaign IMO Rivals Oblivion The Black Hole's (shown below) (no longer airing).



And this is just the TV ad!

I'll be honest- if I wasn't following up with the Italian coaster forums, I'd be thinking the ride was open since the first day of operation!

It may not seem like much, but to me this is just way too poor communication coming from what many believe to be "Italy's top theme park."
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Oh well, I guess I won't be riding any coasters any time soon... Within the next 10 minutes anyways. :airtime: :airtimer:

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby LeoBruz199 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:55 pm

Well, Merlin even though they didn't want to add in a Peppa Pig themed area to their UK Parks because of Paulton's, have managed to get one to Gardaland, and get this, even when Italy has its own version of Paultons Park, complete with its own Peppa Pig themed area!
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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby livai » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:47 am

Leolandia has a very small play area on peppa pig, gardaland will have mechanical attractions and shows. 2 completely different things

p.s: and in 2019 new coaster
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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby LeoBruz199 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:19 am

^What is actually in the area is kind of irrelevant to my point. It's a matter of IP. My question would be, if Merlin couldn't invest (or better, *didn't want to*) in a Peppa Pig area in the UK because there was a park doing it already, which is Paulton's Park, why would they invest in a Peppa area in Italy, when there's Leolandia which is essentially our own version of Paulton's Park?

PS: The new coaster is anything but certain.
Oh well, I guess I won't be riding any coasters any time soon... Within the next 10 minutes anyways. :airtime: :airtimer:

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby KarlaKoaster » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:47 am

I guess each park could have a different agreement. Paultons for example might have paid more to have exclusivity.

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby larrygator » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:48 am

^possible reasons

IP and licensing laws could vary between the UK and Italy
Leolandia may not have exclusivity with their IP/licensing deal
Leolandia's theming may not be approved by the owners of the Peppa Pig IP
Leolandia limited use of Peppa Pig in artisitc form may not violate IP laws

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby livai » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:57 am

LeoBruz199 wrote:^What is actually in the area is kind of irrelevant to my point. It's a matter of IP. My question would be, if Merlin couldn't invest (or better, *didn't want to*) in a Peppa Pig area in the UK because there was a park doing it already, which is Paulton's Park, why would they invest in a Peppa area in Italy, when there's Leolandia which is essentially our own version of Paulton's Park?

PS: The new coaster is anything but certain.

it is precisely the content that makes the difference, and gardaland focuses on that.
the coaster is more than reliable, trust me
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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby SharkTums » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:57 am

Do Italians like Peppa Pig!!? It always seemed very British to me and it's barely a thing here.

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Re: Gardaland Discussion Thread

Postby LeoBruz199 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:20 am

SharkTums wrote:Do Italians like Peppa Pig!!? It always seemed very British to me and it's barely a thing here.

Trust me, Elissa. Peppa Pig in Italy is almost as huge as Peppa Pig in the UK. :lol:
Oh well, I guess I won't be riding any coasters any time soon... Within the next 10 minutes anyways. :airtime: :airtimer:

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