Rye Playland Discussion Thread

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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:00 am

alwaysairtime14 wrote:I believe that the park is just wrong for the area. Westchester county is too rich for the park. Why would you take your family (which brings in a 6 digit salary) to a crappy, local amusement park when you go to Disney twice a year and do cruises each season? The stereotypical though of the park is that it is dirty, old, and dangerous.

I think that's why the Sustainable Playland idea - purely as a concept - MIGHT be a good idea. It would give residents of the community more reason to go to the park. You set up a sports field in the green space and, wham! The local little kids' soccer league now has a place to play games every Saturday, bringing more people to the park. Did your team win? Let's celebrate by buying everyone on the team tickets to the Dragon Coaster!
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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby alwaysairtime14 » Sun May 11, 2014 9:19 am

Opening Day Report: (no photos)

The crowd at 11 for opening ceremonies was dismal. 200 people, tops. Once the gate opened at 12 more people showed up. The Dragon was running great! Fast and smooth. Both trains were in operation. Station crew was OK. 2 thunderstorms (one at 3 and one at 5) really tested the park crew, but they did great! Once the rain ended everything was back up and running within 15 minutes. Crowds were a little light, but still strong for the crappy weather that was predicted.

Something is going on with Ye Old Mill. I checked it out and the tunnel had only a few inches of water. All the fire extinguishers were lined up at the front of the station instead of inside the ride. No idea what's happening, but it doesn't look like its a "quick fix" type of repair.

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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby Canobie Coaster » Sun May 11, 2014 9:23 am

Glad to hear that the Dragon is running great with two trains. Last time I was there, it had just a one train operation and was painstakingly slow. That's weird on the Old Mill. Hopefully they were just rehabbing a few scenes or effects.
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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby GreatAdventurer » Mon May 19, 2014 5:19 pm

Ive lived in westchester my whole life. Rye is known as perhaps the most wealthy or at least one of the most wealthy community's in the county. Those that live in rye absolutely hate playland and do not have the few historically valuebel rides such as the whip carousel kiddie coaster. They just hate the crowd it attracts. If you've ever been to playland youd know that on most days the crowd is just horrendously rude sometimes which just makes me said. furthermore the whole westchester owning playland thing just nailed the coffin because they abously dont have any idea what there doing I mean honestly the whole situation right now makes me both sad and angry!
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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby jedimaster1227 » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:31 pm

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NY_PLAYLAND_NYOL-?SITE=NYMID&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Westchester County is scrapping a broad plan to revitalize its money-losing Playland amusement park.

County Executive Rob Astorino announced Wednesday that a 2012 agreement with Sustainable Playland Inc. to reimagine and operate the park in the New York suburbs will be allowed to lapse.

Astorino had projected that a revamped park would make money after years of losses. SPI planned to make the Art Deco landmark more of a year-round attraction, adding athletic fields and a field house.

However, some politicians and some residents of Rye, where the park is located, bristled at SPI's plan. Some lawsuits were filed and more were threatened.

Astorino said he's hiring a consultant to analyze park operations and make recommendations. He has reached a separate agreement with an operator for the park's skating rink.
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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:19 am

I read that article and I think it's important to point out that the following is misleading at best and complete bull**** at worst.

Attendance has dropped from 1 million in 2005 to 390,000 last year.


Back in 2005, the park operated in a completely different way than it does now. Back then the park had at least 4 entrances and admission was free. Everyone that wanted to ride the rides had a fun card which they could keep as long as they wanted and re-charge at a kiosk. Now the park is gated and admission is required. All rides are free once you get in the park (a standard pay-one-price park).

This means a few different things, first of all... the guests they've lost probably didn't spend much money. They didn't ride rides, a lot of these guests were kids that spent little money and caused trouble which is probably the main reason they made the price pay-one-price... to eliminate people using the park as a free babysitter in an attempt to bring a more affluent crowd and eliminate some of the rowdy teens. Sure some other people were turned off by this policy (grandparents for example that wanted to watch their kids on the rides) but how much money were they really spending? This stat is very misleading.

Also... and this is even more important. It can't be stressed enough that they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how many people visited the park in 2005. They had at least 4 separate gates with no security points or turnstiles... any attendance figure they have is purely an estimate based on an average of what they think each guest spent or how many people are in each car that paid to park in the lot (which probably isn't how this was calculated since a lot of people are dropped off or take public transportation). They're making this number up... it's a load of crap. They have no way of knowing their attendance before 2009.

Also, the way they phrased this is very misleading and I think it was done deliberately to sensationalize the story. Saying that "Attendance has dropped from 1 million in 2005 to 390,000 last year." implies that this is a trend... in reality almost all of that loss was from 2008-2009 when they changed over to a pay-one price park and presumably actually started keeping track of attendance. They knew attendance would drop and spending per guest would go up... which is exactly what happened.

Playland has a lot of problems but these people are manipulating the numbers to make it look much worse than it really is. The fact that they have an operator for the Ice Casino is encouraging because they thing is responsible for a huge percentage of their losses. I'm glad they saw through Sustainable Playland's plan... hopefully they go with someone like Zamperla who has a history of turning parks around while preserving historical rides and attractions.

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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby Rollercoaster Rider » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:18 pm

Hopefully Zamperla will takeover the park. Or whoever Standard Amusements is.
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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby fraroc » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:54 am

I sort of wonder what would happen if Cedar Fair were to take over Rye Playland and operate it like Gilroy Gardens?

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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby Rollercoaster Rider » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:06 pm

fraroc wrote:I sort of wonder what would happen if Cedar Fair were to take over Rye Playland and operate it like Gilroy Gardens?



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Re: Rye Playland Discussion Thread

Postby jedimaster1227 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:28 am

fraroc wrote:I sort of wonder what would happen if Cedar Fair were to take over Rye Playland and operate it like Gilroy Gardens?


All rides get generic names like Flight Deck and Drop Tower.

In all seriousness, I was hoping for the Sustainable Playland plans to fall through. In the last bidding process Legoland and CAI Amusements (Zamperla) both pitched plans that focused on the rides and heritage of the park. Personally I think Legoland would be the most respectful to the park's heritage and bring in a more consistent crowd with its unique age appeal. That being said, CAI continues to prove with Coney Island that they know how to invest in a poorly operating space, make it new again and continue to invest beyond the initial start up.

I think either would make great operators for the park, so it will be interesting to see if either decides to throw their hat back into the ring for consideration now that the city is taking RFPs again.
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