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Postby DonkeyBreath » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:12 pm

I know i'm going to get heat for this... but 36 years in the making and this is the best they could come up with :( I see putting CF and B&M together equals BLAH! these two companies have not a creative bone in their bodies. Why in the hell are these parks spending 20+ million dollars on the same cookie cutter B&M Bullsh%$T, hell CF should of gotten this for atleast half price since it's nothing NEW to this ride . That's like a park paying 20+ million for pretty much a B:TR clone :| why?

The theme/name is also lame Diamond back it took 36 years to come up with that?Hell Mustang would of been much better and atleast original heck the LSHOF would of been a much better name theme then Diamond Back, also what Diamond Back is red, yellow and cream colored, and splashes through water? CF should of really shown they're creative skills and just named the damn ride Hypercoaster :roll:

My god where is Intamin when you need them? a megalite themed to a septic tank would be 10x better then this imo. Sorry but i'm just totally anti-B&M

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Postby niiicolaaah » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:15 pm

Hey, a Behemoth quasi-clone with a splashdown. Lol. Not impressed.
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Postby pops » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:18 pm

this rides ok, behemoth owns this ride right away, copying behemoth and nitro, and the splashdown is only cool part.

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behemoth-longer,better,bigger drop and steeper by 1 degree

this one- splashdown

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Postby coasterdude5 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:18 pm

TopThrill182 wrote:Overall it looks like a promising ride. Yes it is the same old (and getting somewhat tired) B&M design, but this is really just what the doctor ordered for Kings Island. That park is so full of "gimmick" coasters you really just want one normal B&M hyper that you can ride over and over. This is what I said after visiting the park for the first time two years ago, and still believe it. I think this ride will be perfect for the park, and should be a lot of fun.


I agree. I'd take a "tame" hyper over an overly-intense any day. If it's too intense, it loses its re-rideability.

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Postby yankees15 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:19 pm

I am really liking the looks of this new coaster! If it is anything like Nitro, it's going to be awesome. A big (215ft) steep (74 degree) first drop, lots of airtime hills, overbanked turn, 2 helixs, splash down. It should be a great ride. I hope I can get out there within the next few years to ride it.

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Postby pops » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:21 pm

DonkeyBreath wrote:I know i'm going to get heat for this... but 36 years in the making and this is the best they could come up with :( I see putting CF and B&M together equals BLAH! these two companies have not a creative bone in their bodies. Why in the hell are these parks spending 20+ million dollars on the same cookie cutter B&M Bullsh%$T, hell CF should of gotten this for atleast half price since it's nothing NEW to this ride . That's like a park paying 20+ million for pretty much a B:TR clone :| why?

The theme/name is also lame Diamond back it took 36 years to come up with that?Hell Mustang would of been much better and atleast original heck the LSHOF would of been a much better name theme then Diamond Back, also what Diamond Back is red, yellow and cream colored, and splashes through water? CF should of really shown they're creative skills and just named the damn ride Hypercoaster :roll:

My god where is Intamin when you need them? a megalite themed to a septic tank would be 10x better then this imo. Sorry but i'm just totally anti-B&M



and behemoth kicks this ride a$$ big time, just by looks i can feel it.

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Re: kings island 2009: diamondback

Postby ginzo » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 pm

pops wrote:this rides ok, behemoth owns this ride right away, copying behemoth and nitro, and the splashdown is only cool part.

differences

behemoth-longer,better,bigger drop and steeper by 1 degree

this one- splashdown


Oh boy! 1 degree steeper!!#@!@#!@#!@#
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Postby yankees15 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 pm

^I would like to know how Behemoth kicks this rides a$$? It's not even built yet!

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Postby Scaparri » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 pm

WARNING: Serious coaster-nerd moment featuring conversational critique/debate about recent coaster design, as well as the direction of Bolliger & Mabillard. This is not specific criticism for Diamondback.

While I am pretty excited about this ride, I can't help but wonder if Walter and Claude are simply losing their motivation. It's been no secret that many people feel that B&M are losing their touch, and I'm one of them. They just seem to make no effort to create a truly unique ride anymore. More and more, their creations seem to have a strikingly familiar flow, particularly in the hyper department. It's almost as if they have their own short set of pre-designed elements like in NoLimits and they just change the size percentage to fit the specified height and layout. For example, the entire flow and order of Diamondback bears a striking resemblance to Nitro. Furthermore, the first drop and following camel back is essentially a tweaked version of the same elements on Behemoth and Goliath (SFOG). The second camel back is essentially a tweaked version of the same element on Goliath (SFOG), Nitro, or any other B&M camel back. The turn-around is essentially the same as that of Behemoth, Nitro, and moderately Silver Star and Hollywood Dream. After which, there is the generic camel back, followed by an uphill turn onto the mid-course. The mid-course is followed by the exact same over-sized bunny hills that is seen following a mid-course on every single B&M hyper. The end of Diamondback features the exact same turn found on Behemoth in the far right of this picture, followed by a splashdown.

Again, I'm not saying that Diamondback is going to suck. This is not a criticism of Diamondback. It just seems that B&M is losing their drive or imagination. They rarely branch out to try and create a truly unique design. There have been a few spots of uniqueness in recent years, such as Tatsu, Hydra, and Hollywood Dream, but the majority of their coasters seem to follow a similar format within their respective ride style. So, have they lost their drive, is this just what parks are asking for, or have they simply discovered that they don't have to put much effort into their layout designs in order to get a park to purchase from them?

Who knows. Sorry, I had to dork out. Again, I'm not trying to pick a fight about Diamondback, but simply questioning B&M's business progression.

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Re: kings island 2009: diamondback

Postby pops » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:25 pm

ginzo wrote:
pops wrote:this rides ok, behemoth owns this ride right away, copying behemoth and nitro, and the splashdown is only cool part.

differences

behemoth-longer,better,bigger drop and steeper by 1 degree

this one- splashdown


Oh boy! 1 degree steeper!!#@!@#!@#!@#


lol, i know. butit kinda makes a difference. i think?

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