Walt Disney World Epcot Discussion Thread

[MeteornotesKeeper Of The Carnivorous Bees!]

Well, I can't really argue your points on higher numbers of visitors, visitors ignoring signs, etc., but I just feel that the underlying point is that there's something "odd" or "just not right" about this ride when you consider the number of riders that go through the turnstiles each year relating to the number of incidents. I mean, if just spinning in a centrifugal manner was so potentially deadly, then RoundUps and Gravitrons would never have exisited as long as they have, right? I don't know, just a thought?

I still think that the amount of warnings (both visual and audio) they give before the ride actually make some people more nervous, causing them to get sick on a ride that otherwise might not bother them. Some people are very suggestable, and placing the thought in their mind that they might get sick (especially if they had problems with any sort of spinning ride in the past) might cause them to achieve illness. The other factor might be that people cannot see what the ride does beforehand (although it is illustrated by an animation in one of the pre-show videos), which may also play a part in someone having a reaction to this ride, where they might not have a reaction to a normal spinning ride.

Obviously, the case being discussed here is not applicable, as the death was caused by an undiagnosed condition. Which I'm not sure that anyone can really be held responsible for.

dt

[mcjacoBeer Man]

On a side note, having defibulators around is kind of a Catch 22 for property owners. Although they give the sense that they're being mindful of the guests in case of health emergencies, what if no one around knows how to use one??? Do you want some guy (or gal) that has no experience with one shocking you???? I sure wouldn't.

We've had this same argument in our office when they put one in. There are certain people here, I wouldn't want anywhere near one if I was in need of a shock.

[methyleneHave I mentioned how awesome donkeys are?]

On a side note, having defibulators around is kind of a Catch 22 for property owners. Although they give the sense that they're being mindful of the guests in case of health emergencies, what if no one around knows how to use one??? Do you want some guy (or gal) that has no experience with one shocking you???? I sure wouldn't.

We've had this same argument in our office when they put one in. There are certain people here, I wouldn't want anywhere near one if I was in need of a shock.

You must not have heard of Automated external defibrillators (AEDs). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AED

Anyone can use one if they follow simple instructions, and you would only think that at least one person per attraction was trained for emergency scenarios.

There would be absolutely no way we could place manual defibrillators in public as 99% of the population A) wouldn't know how to use it B) wouldn't know what a shockable rhythm looked like anyways.

Matt

[BeemerBoyWDW Monorail Fanatic]

^^ Yeah, I'll take my chances with moron and a defibrillator versus a moron and NO defibrillator.

[mcjacoBeer Man]

You haven't seen some of the morons in this office then!

[RobgravesIndiana Jones and the Temple of the Forbidden Donkey.]

Well the WDW emergency training for employees is...

Call 911 from a company phone.

DO NOT LET ANYONE CALL 911 from a NON COMPANY phone.


I had asked about AED's at one point citing Universal Orlando as an example... apparently it would cause bad show and remind guests of the real world.... so, no.


It is the one thing i think Disney really needs to do in order to improve the parks record, and also improve it's defense in any lawsuits that ARE brought... showing that they have done all that can be done. Amtrak got sued over not having AED's. It is not a streatch to believe the same would happen to Disney.

[ParkTripsBubbles!]

Don't most Defibrilators actually TELL YOU WHAT TO DO? Like, a speaker of some sort?

- Joe, who still says the only issue is money

[methyleneHave I mentioned how awesome donkeys are?]

Don't most Defibrilators actually TELL YOU WHAT TO DO? Like, a speaker of some sort?

- Joe, who still says the only issue is money

Joe: The AED's sure do. You simply place the pads on the patient and it does the rest. Most even turn on automatically upon opening. Some new ones even shock without having you push a button.

As for "most" defibrillators, well most are manual defibrillators and are reserved for medical professionals. These you'll only find in a paramedic-equipped ambulance and in hospitals, but they make up the majority of available defibrillators.

Cost is a non-issue. Good AEDs are available for around $3000 these days. Some are even under $1000. If public schools can afford them there's no reason Disney couldn't.

As for aesthetics, no one says the AEDs need to be in a display case for the public to see. Why can't they merely be kept at the station/control room?

Matt

[JimemoI Guess Donkeys Are Okay]

ok... so maybe they arent that hard to use, but would Disney ever get there employees defribilator trained? I think not. And you may be saying, "even if they're not trained, they can still use one." Well maybe, but the cast member would probably lose their job. If something went wrong, and the person did die, the cast member who used the defribilator has now become linked to their death. A person who was not defribilator trained tried to resuscitate someone, and they died. It's really a way to keep their cast members from getting into too much trouble.

Cast members aren't even really supposed to touch a hurt person.

make sense? probably not. :-/

[methyleneHave I mentioned how awesome donkeys are?]

ok... so maybe they arent that hard to use, but would Disney ever get there employees defribilator trained? I think not. And you may be saying, "even if they're not trained, they can still use one." Well maybe, but the cast member would probably lose their job. If something went wrong, and the person did die, the cast member who used the defribilator has now become linked to their death. A person who was not defribilator trained tried to resuscitate someone, and they died. It's really a way to keep their cast members from getting into too much trouble.

Cast members aren't even really supposed to touch a hurt person.

make sense? probably not. :-/

Good Samaritan laws would take effect here. Using the AED can't make the situation any worse: it won't deliver a shock if the patient doesn't need one.

Matt