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Re: Six Flags New England (SFNE) Discussion Thread

Postby ice1972 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:23 am

Sluggo77 wrote:Anyone head to the park today? Would love to see some shots with the snow and all.


I just saw your post today but we were there last Sunday the 10th and the park looked great with all the snow......I was nice how they cleared it too by actually hauling it away rather than push it to the side.....they left landscaping untouched so the lights buried under the snow really made it look good.....we went back yesterday and they had lost some of it but it still looks good.....probably the only SF doing HITP with actual snow? IDK maybe Great Escape....

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Carousel as you enter the park......

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Cool ornament with Fireball in the back.....

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In the kiddie area with Superman lit up in the back.....

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Another view of cool ornament looking back the other way with Scream and Goliath in the back....

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Re: SFNE & HITP & Batman & 27 degrees

Postby ice1972 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:34 am

Awesome thanks....the legal stuff wasn't nearly as interesting as the technical coaster stuff.....on a side note when I rode Batman yesterday for the third time in a row - there was no line - I noticed that it speed checked itself right before the entry into that cool roll it does after the pic is taken.....Batman is a nice ride....it gets a lot of hate I think.....I also have a lot of coasters to ride too lol....

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I don't work in maintenance and don't claim to be an expert, but there are a few factors at play here.

1) This is America, the most sue-happy country on the face of the earth. I'm NOT speaking from authority and I am completely speculating but my gut tells me that the manufacturers came up with these recommendations to cover themselves from liability (if... let's say a coaster saddles in a place where riders are stuck for hours and then they turn around and sue the park), and the parks obey these recommendations so if something does happen and someone tries to hold them liable they can turn around and pass that liability on to the manufacturer. If they didn't follow these recommendations, the manufacturer would likely tell them to go screw (sorry, that's a bit of complex legal jargon) and be absolved from liability.

I pulled that COMPLETELY out of my a**, but I feel like that's very likely what's going on here, especially because other countries who aren't as sue happy seem to have no issue running coasters in the dead of winter (hi, Japan!).

From what I can tell, the coasters can run fine if you don't mind a few close calls in morning testing, and the park thinks that the risk/reward is worth it if it means they can stay open 2 extra months and make a notable profit in November and December for (likely) the first time in their history. They likely don't think the event would be nearly as profitable without their coasters, and they're likely correct. Other parks have different philosophies but also appeal to different demographics and/or invest more heavily in non coaster related holiday offerings like shows / ice skating rinks / animal encounters / snow slides and things of that nature.

2) Unlike at Great Adventure, Six Flags New England's plan for running coasters in the winter is more involved than just hitting the dispatch button and hoping for the best. In addition to likely using harder / faster wheels, they use wheel heaters on all of their coasters for the event. I went into a little bit of detail elsewhere so I'll just quote my previous post in a different thread.

Joker and Mind Eraser had heat lamps in their stations. They weren't right on the wheels, but they warmed the temperature of the station overall which was nice for the riders, the people in the queue and for the train (as they were pointed at the train, just backed off 5 to 10 feet). Batman (their floorless coaster) had tons of huge lamps under the track pointed up at the floor mechanism and the wheels.

On a more interesting note, they brought out the heavy artillery on Thunderbolt (their classic, valley-prone wood coaster). They had an enormous (and I mean enormous) propane heater attached to a tube and a sheet metal vent system they built under the station that absolutely blasted the wheels with heat to the point that even sitting on the train waiting to dispatch was awesome since you were nice and toasty warm just sitting in the train despite the 31 degree temperature. They were monitoring the speed and if it ever ran slow they just waited a few extra minutes to send it while they blasted the entire thing with heat. It ran great.


Also, once a coaster gets warmed up it runs faster. There's a big difference between cold starting a coaster on a 27 degree night with a test run of an empty train and starting it with the sun out at 2 in the afternoon when it's likely 15 degrees warmer, running it all day which gets the wheels warmed up and causes it to speed up and then having it drop down to 27 degrees later on at which point the coasters has been running for 6 hours already... especially since it's running 1 train which means it's never parked on the block brake. It's ALWAYS either moving or sitting over heat lamps in the station so the wheels stay warm.

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Re: Six Flags New England (SFNE) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:35 am

Great pictures!

ice1972 wrote:probably the only SF doing HITP with actual snow?


New Jersey is currently snow covered also. ;)


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Re: SFNE & HITP & Batman & 27 degrees

Postby robbalvey » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:03 pm

ice1972 wrote:Awesome thanks....the legal stuff wasn't nearly as interesting as the technical coaster stuff.....on a side note when I rode Batman yesterday for the third time in a row - there was no line - I noticed that it speed checked itself right before the entry into that cool roll it does after the pic is taken.....Batman is a nice ride....it gets a lot of hate I think.....I also have a lot of coasters to ride too lol....

What is with all the .... in your posts?

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Re: SFNE & HITP & Batman & 27 degrees

Postby ice1972 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:18 pm

robbalvey wrote:
ice1972 wrote:Awesome thanks....the legal stuff wasn't nearly as interesting as the technical coaster stuff.....on a side note when I rode Batman yesterday for the third time in a row - there was no line - I noticed that it speed checked itself right before the entry into that cool roll it does after the pic is taken.....Batman is a nice ride....it gets a lot of hate I think.....I also have a lot of coasters to ride too lol....

What is with all the .... in your posts?


Sorry. I read and post on a weather board and have for a long time and over time my posting style has evolved into a very loose conversational style. The ellipsis are just where my thought changes or where I think I need them to convey my point. I'll work on it lol.

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Re: SFNE & HITP & Batman & 27 degrees

Postby coasterbill » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:22 pm

ice1972 wrote:Batman is a nice ride....it gets a lot of hate I think


Who hates Batman? :lol:

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Re: SFNE & HITP & Batman & 27 degrees

Postby Hilltopper39 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:38 pm

coasterbill wrote:
ice1972 wrote:Batman is a nice ride....it gets a lot of hate I think


Who hates Batman? :lol:


The Riddler, and maybe Ben Affleck.........

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Re: Six Flags New England (SFNE) Discussion Thread

Postby Jason Maier » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:46 pm

coasterbill wrote:Great pictures!

ice1972 wrote:probably the only SF doing HITP with actual snow?


New Jersey is currently snow covered also. ;)



Cold and snowy coastering . . . . sure beats getting scorched coastering in July/August

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Re: Six Flags New England (SFNE) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:51 pm

:lol: We were actually talking about this when we visited Holiday in the Park in New England a few weeks ago.

I'm not a fan of winter, but I'd MUCH rather walk around a theme park with snow on the ground and temps in the 30's than on some of those 98 degree, 100% humidity theme park days from this past June in Florida. It keeps your beer cold at least and you can dress for it. You can't dress for oppressive heat and humidity.

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Re: Six Flags New England (SFNE) Discussion Thread

Postby ice1972 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 pm

coasterbill wrote::lol: We were actually talking about this when we visited Holiday in the Park in New England a few weeks ago.

I'm not a fan of winter, but I'd MUCH rather walk around a theme park with snow on the ground and temps in the 30's than on some of those 98 degree, 100% humidity theme park days from this past June in Florida. It keeps your beer cold at least and you can dress for it. You can't dress for oppressive heat and humidity.


Dude I know. It can be extremely difficult during those deep summer months like July and August. Certainly SFGA and SF Georgia are worse but still I can't even. We went to SFGA in 2016 and I was dripping waiting for Kingda Ka to take off. But man what a ride.

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