pattyboy60 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I'm curious about Helix's Accelaration. I wouldn't think it would be higher than blue fire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 It's difficult for "normal people" to calculate Helix's acceleration, as all of its launches are rolling as opposed to from a complete stop. The second launch is uphill too, which makes it a little more difficult than just a speed over time calculation. You'd have to stick a speedometer on the train AND know how steep the launches are pitched upward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Why didn't the S&S air launch catch on? It's obviously not just a one-time technology that made a crazy launch on Dodonpa. It has used it very effectively on drop towers. Go read the story of Ring°Racer and you might have a clue or two, haha! I believe at leas two air-tanks exploded during its life-span, each time blasting windows all around the launch track. Also, I might add that calculating any coaster acceleration is too difficult for normal people, as what we get with the basic formula is only a linear acceleration, but in reality it's definitely not the case. One key componant of a forceful launch is the initial jerk, that hydraulic and compressed-air launch do well, but LSM are still a bit behind (tho it's getting better). We also have the rolling launches where the initial speed is not 0, and that makes the calculations more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeygoat Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I have measured TTD, KK, Speed Monster, Rita, Desert Race, Senzafiato, Stealth, Storm Runner, Formula Rossa & Kanonen. The only coaster that can match the launch g-forces is Senzafiato. Kanonen uses only half of the launchtrack to reach the maximum speed of 75kph @ ~2G, not even Formula Rossa reaches the maximum speed with that amount of g-force. The only coaster that can beat Kanonen is Dodonpa, but it's air-launched and my old g-force meter didn't like it I will remeasure Dodonpa in January. /// Marcus Maybe forceful was the wrong word for it, I was more talking about intensity as in how strong the launch feels. A big factor on how intense a launch is is how long it sustains high g-forces for. For example, Intimidator 305 feels more intense than a Vekoma Boomerang, although boomerangs have a higher maximum g (never ridden any of them myself so can't compare). Also, according to Lisebergs website Kanonen only goes 0-75 kmph (46 mph) in 2 seconds, while Storm Runner during that same time goes from 0-116 kmph (75 mph). Not necessarely disagreeing with you or saying you're wrong, but Top Thrill Dragster felt amazingly forceful while Kanonen has a pretty smooth launch. And for people wondering about the acceleration on Helix, let's just say you barely feel the launches, even though it's except for that a great coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiex Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I suppose Kanonen was not included in this study. So was Fluch von Novgorod @ Hansa Par It has a very forceful launch as well. It launches from 0-100 kph (0-60 mph) in just 1.4 seconds. That's an accelaration from 2 G's. Fluch doesn't launch from a standstill, there's a small drop before the LSM kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytterbiumanalyst Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Why didn't the S&S air launch catch on? It's obviously not just a one-time technology that made a crazy launch on Dodonpa. It has used it very effectively on drop towers. They still use it on all of their launched coasters. Powder Keg, plus the three big S&S launched coasters in the Happy Valley parks, plus one more being built in China for next year. The big ones are still the fastest-accelerating coasters in the world right now. Being one of those "normal people," this is definitely unscientific, but Powder Keg's launch feels more sudden to me. The LSMs feel like the rate of acceleration increases as the launch progresses, whereas Powder Keg feels like the rate of acceleration is fastest right at the beginning, and then the acceleration slows after that. No idea if that's actually true, but hopefully that makes some sense to you. I'd love for some more coasters to be designed with compressed air launches. It's a really fun experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordyC Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I suppose Kanonen was not included in this study. So was Fluch von Novgorod @ Hansa Par It has a very forceful launch as well. It launches to 100 kph (60 mph) in just 1.4 seconds. That's an accelaration from 2 G's. Fluch doesn't launch from a standstill, there's a small drop before the LSM kicks in. Fixed. Yeah I'm sorry, that's what I meant. And although it doesn't launch from a standstill, it still has a very forceful launch. It must be somewhere around 1.8-2 G's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Why didn't the S&S air launch catch on? It's obviously not just a one-time technology that made a crazy launch on Dodonpa. It has used it very effectively on drop towers. They still use it on all of their launched coasters. Powder Keg, plus the three big S&S launched coasters in the Happy Valley parks, plus one more being built in China for next year. The big ones are still the fastest-accelerating coasters in the world right now. Being one of those "normal people," this is definitely unscientific, but Powder Keg's launch feels more sudden to me. The LSMs feel like the rate of acceleration increases as the launch progresses, whereas Powder Keg feels like the rate of acceleration is fastest right at the beginning, and then the acceleration slows after that. No idea if that's actually true, but hopefully that makes some sense to you. I'd love for some more coasters to be designed with compressed air launches. It's a really fun experience. Yep, that what we call the initial jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lond Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Got on the last ride of Kanonen @ Liseberg. Can't wait for Valkyria to open 2018. Photos will be published tomorrow. /// Marcus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeygoat Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Got on the last ride of Kanonen @ Liseberg. Can't wait for Valkyria to open 2018. Photos will be published tomorrow. /// Marcus Same here! Was a very emotional experience But going there made me think, how on earth are they going to fit Europe's longest dive coaster and a big gyro swing in an already cramped up part of the park? I suppose the station will be at the current Burger King location? Or maybe I'm way off course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) Hej då Kanonen. Had great rides. And one rollback! Me and Jody. 2006. 1 of 2 TPR UK Tour Add-on Parks! Also ridden in '09 and '14. Edited December 31, 2016 by Nrthwnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rill'o'beily Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 But going there made me think, how on earth are they going to fit Europe's longest dive coaster and a big gyro swing in an already cramped up part of the park? We're talking about the country that harnesses the energy of the tears of people lost in blue and yellow furniture stores to power itself, so I'm guessing they'll find a way to fit it in. (In all seriousness though we just need to trust the geniuses over there to fit them in somehow, by my understanding spinrock already took more space than it needed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imagineer Josh Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Well, "leaky" what we have here. For no reason I asked about Kanonen on the site it was being sold on, and I was disclosed with some VERY interesting information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gv8aPVRN9Q Someone ACTUALLY bought Kanonen! And if you think it is fake, look at Interlink - http://www.interlink-lg.com/occasion.htm It's at the very bottom as "Hydraulic Family Launch Coaster" I even have a photo for you Let the speculation begin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thisisruss Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I wonder who has brought it? Flamingo Land [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY] Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lond Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 It took a little bit longer that I promised to post the photos from the last day of winter @ Liseberg, but here they are: Weatherprotection of the construction area of Loke Soon to be closed Mechanica makes great photos in the dark. Here you can get a cold bier A gigant nutcracker Open ice before the show Last photo of Kanonen I don't know if Interlink is just a broker for used rides besides their main water-rides... but I will ask. /// Marcus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking86 Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 Great pictures! Liseberg looks fantastic all decorated and lit up for Christmas. One of my favorite parks, and I look forward to more visits in the coming years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lond Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 A document about Lisebergs big hotell and waterpark-project: Jubileumsprojektet - in Swedish /// Marcus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejon Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The municipality of Gothenburg has given the go-ahead for the hotel and water park. Construction is expected to begin in 2019, and will be completed in 2021, the same year Gothenburg will celebrate it's 400th birthday. The cost is about 2 billion SEK ($230 million, €210 million). The hotel and water park will (probably) be themed around the Swedish East India company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_East_India_Company The investment is expected to increase the annual number of visitors to Liseberg with 600 000. Edit: Apparently it was the municipal board that had given a go ahead, the project still needs approval in the municipality council. Though that shouldn't be an issue since a vast majority approve the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lond Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Some more buzz in the news about the expansion: http://interpark.co.uk/liseberg-planning-major-expansion-waterpark-hotel/ /// Marcus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmay Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Does anyone know if they've started dismantling Kanonen yet? I'm craving for some Valkyria news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lond Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I will check tomorrow when I'm passing by Liseberg. /// Marcus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJK Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Anyone have any clue what park Kanonen is going to? It was still a great ride, I hope it goes to a deserving park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per2012 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Loke is getting an unexpectedly low hight requirement of 130 cm (51"). [fbvideonew] [/fbvideonew] Some new animation of Loke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiex Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 ^ Since it supposedly has the same restraint system as Taron the same height requirement makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 ^ Since it supposedly has the same restraint system as Taron the same height requirement makes sense. It's not the same as Taron, it's the same as Drop of Doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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