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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby robbalvey » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:13 pm

coasterkid124 wrote:That's usually how it works. Like Robb said, some hillbillies with their pick up trucks thought they could just take it down piece by piece, with no prior engineering or construction experience.

I don't know why but whenever I think of these idiots coming to the ride with a bunch of pickup trucks to take it apart it makes me think of this Family Guy episode with Peter and the forklift....

While he's trying to do something right, he's too stupid to even have a clue how to move a whale! lol

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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby sfkk » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:38 am

In this video, beginning at the 22 minute mark, Dick Kinzel finally fesses up to the real reason Cedar Fair bought Geauga Lake. As suspected, they did not want someone else to buy the property to make it a big competitor for Cedar Point. It is interesting how he finally admitted it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdsEDU7n8g

Skip to minute 22 for part about Geauga Lake.
He talks about it again at 28.

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Postby DougMJr » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:04 pm

sfkk wrote:In this video, beginning at the 22 minute mark, Dick Kinzel finally fesses up to the real reason Cedar Fair bought Geauga Lake. As suspected, they did not want someone else to buy the property to make it a big competitor for Cedar Point. It is interesting how he finally admitted it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKdsEDU7n8g

Skip to minute 22 for part about Geauga Lake.
He talks about it again at 28.


You say "fesses up" as if his reasons were in any way nefarious. I guess I don't get the CF hate when it comes to GL. It wasn't successful under Six Flags, so CF purchased it in order to maintain security in that market and tried to develop it into another successful product by investing in the property.

They succeeded at securing the market, but unfortunately failed at reviving the struggling park and closed it down.

Totally understand being upset nearly 10 years later, but I don't get demonizing CF on this one.

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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby larrygator » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:13 pm

The only thing Cedar Fair did wrong was overpay for this property it was never going to be real competition to Cedar Point under a cash strapped Six Flags
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Postby DougMJr » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:23 pm

larrygator wrote:The only thing Cedar Fair did wrong was overpay for this property it was never going to be real competition to Cedar Point under a cash strapped Six Flags


True, it wouldn't impact CP in a meaningful way if it remained as-is under SF. The real threat was SF selling it to another operator who could potentially impact the market. CF knew SF was struggling and obviously thought that the park has potential to grow in the market when they purchased it.

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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby CP Maverick » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:58 pm

CF gets the blame, because after a series of poor management decisions, they pulled the plug. Anyone that says the park was dying apparently missed the increase in business that went to Kennywood and Waldameer immediately after GL closed. The park could have survived on a regional level. Abandoning the rides and opening a new waterpark on the Sea World property was the final poor decision made by management.
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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby larrygator » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:10 pm

$145 Million was too much to pay. Six Flags was desperate to sell to pay down debt. There was not another operator willing to pay that much. There was no other threat.
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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby ajfelice » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:49 pm

CP Maverick wrote:CF gets the blame, because after a series of poor management decisions, they pulled the plug. Anyone that says the park was dying apparently missed the increase in business that went to Kennywood and Waldameer immediately after GL closed. The park could have survived on a regional level. Abandoning the rides and opening a new waterpark on the Sea World property was the final poor decision made by management.


Us folks at Waldameer have benefited from an uptick of Ohio business over the past eight years, particularly from Astabula County that borders Pennsylvania. Lake and Geauga County are also big players for us (note that Geauga Lake was between Portage and southwest Geauga County). However, based on sales and marketing data, we have benefited from Ravine Flyer II significantly more than the loss of Geauga Lake which was more of a timing thing when Ravine Flyer II opened in 2008. Based on visiting schools and businesses in the former Geauga Lake market among other measures, the market is still being educated about Waldameer and Water World. As for guests in the park, the only ones in my six years with the park who have mentioned Geauga Lake are enthusiasts. I have heard more things about Idora Park, Conneaut Lake Park, and Kennywood from families who visit Waldameer.

In my opinion, it was not noticed until it was too late the benefit of having two unique but separate family attractions. Two parks meant many 2-day visits to the area. Two parks meant free exposure to visitors of one park to the other park. Partnerships and packages between separate parks also benefited both parks. It would be shortsighted to expect a merger of the parks to equate to the sum of both parks' annual attendance figures, or anything close to it. Demographically, the nearby region was not gaining anything in population or income to support some mega-park. The lack of onsite accommodations was a major disadvantage when trying to attract enough people from far and wide to support such a mega-park. Two separate gates with two separate admission tickets had a strong role in keeping the Geauga Lake and SeaWorld bubble from popping. Reverse back to the days of only Geauga Lake before SeaWorld, the Cleveland-Elyria Metropolitan Statistical Area was in boom times before the region evolved into the Rust Belt. If Geauga Lake were to be around today, I do not see it performing particularly well even in a downsized form due to its secluded location, stagnant market, and regional competition. Transition back to Waldameer and Erie, a huge thing that keeps our small park viable is being a neighbor to Presque Isle State Park that attracts 4 million visitors annually.

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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby expat1983 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:35 am

New user resurrecting an old thread (hello). Looks like Wildwater Kingdom is being cleared out, most of the fixtures have gone and only a few slides left now. A fan was able to purchase the sign on Rt43 a couple of months ago, and an old Sea World relic is now listed on Craigslist for $2,500: https://cleveland.craigslist.org/for/d/for-sale-tree-haus-or-sign/6272906426.html
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Re: Geauga Lake Discussion Thread

Postby Rougarou » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:13 pm

What happen to the water slides at wild water kingdom?
Did CF sell them?
Trash them?
Transferred any?
Just curious...

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