Kings Island (KI) Discussion Thread

[larrygatorObsessive Overlord of the TPR Park Index]

^ From what I've read, this distance thing has been a problem before for CW, back when they wanted to build Flight Deck. They had plans with B&M, but B&M had to pull out because of the clause, after building Raptor at CP a year earlier. CW ended up going with Vekoma. But from what I also understand, CW tried to work with CP to try and come up with some kind of exception to the clause, but CP refused. That leads me to believe that Cedar Fair has some say about how the clause is upheld, and now with them owning CP and KI, well, and CW for that matter, that they could say "hey, we want an invert in KI." And arn't clauses like that normally for a set period of year, and not indefinite? Most company's I've heard of ever agreeing to such terms almost never do it on an indefinite period. I could understand a ten year block on similar rides.

Now, I've havnt seen or read anything about Leviathan being built by B&M because of the clause. Could it be that I'm underestimating CF and the whole clause? Yup, I'm often wrong . But is it possible CF just chose B&M to build Leviathan for any number of other reason we don't know about? I don't see why not...

Edit: And kunpc1 already beat me to my point lol!

What you write about Flight Deck was confirmed by park managemenr at Leviathan Bash.

However, your point about why Canada's Wonderland contracted for Leviathan from B&M is pure speculation and has nothing to due with an exclusivity agreement. Exclusivity agreements are done on a corporate level. Now whether Cedar Fair told Canada's Wonderland that they couldn't get an Intamin is a slightly different story. That would be corporate politics. But park management stated at Leviathon Bash that based on the success of Behemoth they choose the go with something they knew would be popular with the patrons.

So while building a B&M invert is the past my have been a problem at Kings Island due to exclusivity agreements, it is not the case today

[Stitch_101Holy crap you have a HUGE donkey!]

^ From what I've read, this distance thing has been a problem before for CW, back when they wanted to build Flight Deck. They had plans with B&M, but B&M had to pull out because of the clause, after building Raptor at CP a year earlier. CW ended up going with Vekoma. But from what I also understand, CW tried to work with CP to try and come up with some kind of exception to the clause, but CP refused. That leads me to believe that Cedar Fair has some say about how the clause is upheld, and now with them owning CP and KI, well, and CW for that matter, that they could say "hey, we want an invert in KI." And arn't clauses like that normally for a set period of year, and not indefinite? Most company's I've heard of ever agreeing to such terms almost never do it on an indefinite period. I could understand a ten year block on similar rides.

Now, I've havnt seen or read anything about Leviathan being built by B&M because of the clause. Could it be that I'm underestimating CF and the whole clause? Yup, I'm often wrong . But is it possible CF just chose B&M to build Leviathan for any number of other reason we don't know about? I don't see why not...

Edit: And kunpc1 already beat me to my point lol!

What you write about Flight Deck was confirmed by park managemenr at Leviathan Bash.

However, your point about why Canada's Wonderland contracted for Leviathan from B&M is pure speculation and has nothing to due with an exclusivity agreement. Exclusivity agreements are done on a corporate level. Now whether Cedar Fair told Canada's Wonderland that they couldn't get an Intamin is a slightly different story. That would be corporate politics. But park management stated at Leviathon Bash that based on the success of Behemoth they choose the go with something they knew would be popular with the patrons.

So while building a B&M invert is the past my have been a problem at Kings Island due to exclusivity agreements, it is not the case today

Thanks for clearing some things up A lot of these park politics are a bit beyond me sometimes, but I can see the need for them. I didn't think the exclusive clause effected the parks anymore because they are all owned by CF now, but reading my post back, it seemed a little more muddled then I would have liked.

And on another note, I'm sure whatever KI and CF decide to do with the area will be what they think is in the best interest of the park. Nothing we can do but sit back and relax until they decide to clue the rest of us in on their plans

[DiSabNeil Peart makes me erect]

Hopefully this doesn't get buried too quickly...

I was thinking about making a trip to KI next Sunday, Aug. 26. I'm not sure when school starts down there, but if its the same as around herein Columbus, it'd be next week some time. That being said, with it being a Sunday after school has started, would the Fast Lane be a good idea? I haven't been to the park for a few years, so I'm not sure how busy it is on a Sunday this time of the year.

[SharkTumsSite Admin]

^It really depends on what you want to do and how long you're willing to wait in lines. Even if the park was 'quiet' you know there will be long lines for the flyer, invertigo, etc. I'd rather not wait and go for the Fast Lane. You can always go first, see how the crowds are and then decide on Fast Lane.

[WhodeyI just made a donkey in No Limits!]

I live across I-71 from KI. Sundays seem to be small crowds. I also think that Fast Lane at KI is not needed because the longest lines are usually 30 minutes.(except sat.) Sunday mornings are great becuase I think many are at church and the crowds usually arrive later or never arrive. The last 3 Sundays I went at around 7pm and most rides are walk ons especially in the action zone. For some reason Flight of Fear is always a 30 minute wait no matter when I go so you might hit that early am and while there hit Firehawk since that usually crawls. Also that Sunday park closes at 8.

[DiSabNeil Peart makes me erect]

You can always go first, see how the crowds are and then decide on Fast Lane.

That's probably what I'll end up doing. If lines aren't outrageous, I don't mind waiting, but I'd want to get the passes if its going to be a busy day. I'd rather not spend the money beforehand and find out that I won't need them that day.

[stashua123Which came first the turtle or the donkey?]

Ijust got back from the park and i have some intresting news.

1. SoB's trains near the second rosebowl are gone and no where in sight.
and
2. I saw about 5 trucks parked inside the rosebowl

[DiSabNeil Peart makes me erect]

Went to the park today, and I have a few observations to share.

Last time I was at KI, almost 3 years ago now, I was too fat for Diamondback, so today was the first time I've ridden it. For me, its definitely the best ride in the park, with Beast still a close second. However, it's really a shame that it's developed that much of a rattle in only 3 years. It's not bad enough to take away from the awesomeness, but it's definitely noticeable, especially coming out of the hammerhead.

The Beast seems to be running better this year than it has in the past. Don't get me wrong, it'll still throw you around, but it seems to be better than I remember.

Windseeker it really a great ride. It's not particularly intense, but it's a lot of fun.

Invertigo looks great with the new paint. It'd just a shame it still rides like a Vekoma, though...

[WhodeyI just made a donkey in No Limits!]

I saw the parking lot on Sunday was empty and thought about you being there. I wanted to go myself but too much going on for me. Glad you had fun and I am sad the park is closed weekdays already.

[Philrad71Don't put that donkey on the floor!]

Will be there over the weekend, although with the remnants of Isaac possibly hitting the area on Saturday night/Sunday, it's possible that crowds might not be as bad as if it's 80 and sunny.

Haven't been to the park on Labor Day weekend since I was a teen and it was rainy and miserable then too. That was well before CF owned it though and they ran all coasters and rides in the park in the mist anyway so we just dressed in rain suits...probably not now though?

Looking forward to it anyway...despite what may happen with the weather!