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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby ElvisLuv » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:44 am

coasterbill wrote:Your post never implied that you were specifically talking about ride closures, just the fact that you went and the park was busy that particular day so "SeaWorld looks to be doing just fine!"

Either way though, even if you're just referring to ride closures... come on.

They talk at length about their (in their words) "cost reduction efforts" on their conference calls. On their Q3 call Marc Swanson stated that they had identified an additional 25 million in potential cost savings and "fully expect to achieve $40 million in net fixed cost savings by the end of 2018". Eventually you run out of people to lay off.

Do you honestly expect a "confirmation" on that? They're not going to state openly that they're closing rides for budget and not reducing ticket prices.

They've closed

- Theater by Zagora Cafe
- Gwazi
- Rhino Rally
- Terrace Restaurant
- Bird Gardens Gift Shop
- Tidal Wave
- Curiosity Caverns/ Jambo Junction
- Questor
- Jungle Flyers
- Wild Surge
- Treetop Trails
- Curse of DarKastle

...and others and left them sitting unused, and that's just their East Coast parks.

They've also cut back operating hours, cut back on show times, replaced Blue Horizons with a cheaper show, fired the mimes from the Clyde and Seamore show and closed tons of food stands. They haven't replaced any of these things (except Blue Horizons with a cheaper show). They have re-opened a few things seasonally.

Obviously these are budget moves. They speak openly about their cost reduction efforts and they haven't replaced any of these things. Hell, they haven't even been able to afford to remove most of them. They just leave things sitting around because they have no money.

Of course they're budget cuts.


Their current CEO let Oz Cat stand for years. HFE wasn't exactly broke. It was one of the first things the hat seemed to happen when Manby left. Tidal Wave seemed to close about the same time Lowery Park's new flume was known. Not saying that is the reason it closed but it certainly made it expendable anyways. Before I go all doom and gloom, let's see what they announce for 2019 for both BGs

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:47 am

Ozark Wildcat was in a closed amusement park, not one that's open to guests 365 days a year with guests walking right by a giant closed coaster. Why would they pay to remove it? Also, I guarantee you that Busch Gardens doesn't care about Lowery Park's log flume. What does any of this have to do with anything?

I feel like this conversation is going off the rails. I honestly don't even understand what point you guys are trying to make. What I said was in response to a post stating that "SeaWorld is fine" and that they're "not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures" because some guy went there and it happened to be busy that day. I love the parks, they can turn it around, but they're not "fine". The chain as a whole is making massive budget cuts all over the place, they're reporting attendance losses quarter after quarter and their stock price is in the toilet for a reason.

But yeah, they closed Tanganyika Tidal Wave in April of 2016 and left it sitting abandoned for 2 years "for future expansion". Gwazi has been sitting abandoned for 3 years "for future expansion". It's an essential part of the RMC conversion process. You need to let the ride age for 3 seasons and not touch it before you can begin work on it. It's like fine wine, apparently.

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby bert425 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:09 am

coasterbill wrote:Ozark Wildcat was in a closed amusement park, not one that's open to guests 365 days a year with guests walking right by a giant closed coaster. Why would they pay to remove it? Also, I guarantee you that Busch Gardens doesn't care about Lowery Park's log flume. What does any of this have to do with anything?

I feel like this conversation is going off the rails. I honestly don't even understand what point you guys are trying to make. What I said was in response to a post stating that "SeaWorld is fine" and that they're "not a believer of people who say attractions are being shut down for cost cutting measures" because some guy went there and it happened to be busy that day. I love the parks, they can turn it around, but they're not "fine". The chain as a whole is making massive budget cuts all over the place, they're reporting attendance losses quarter after quarter and their stock price is in the toilet for a reason.

But yeah, they closed Tanganyika Tidal Wave in April of 2016 and left it sitting abandoned for 2 years "for future expansion". Gwazi has been sitting abandoned for 3 years "for future expansion". It's an essential part of the RMC conversion process. You need to let the ride age for 3 seasons and not touch it before you can begin work on it. It's like fine wine, apparently.


when we were at BGT just about 2 years ago, we didn't even realize that Tidal Wave had been there (we apparently went just weeks after it shut down). so I'll give them credit for hiding the fact that there HAD been something there (as opposed to Gwazi, which was sitting right there in the middle of the park with the entrance "disguised" with planters :p

now, we DID actually comment how little there seemed to be right there, since there was a train stop, it seemed odd that only Shiekra and Stanley Falls was there. .but we didn't know there was a shuttered ride.

agreed that it's a shame that Seaworld is having budget issues (it's obvious to me the closures/shutdowns are due to money issues).. . but I'm glad we got to go before some of the really big closures hit (I loved Jambo Junction area)
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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby The Geek Mojo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:25 am

Wasn't really arguing. Just discussing really. A lot of good points. And flat earth people are dumb for the record. :)

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby snapfordakids » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:33 pm

Hi fellow enthusiasts.

I'm heading to this park Monday and was wondering what other attractions/shows are a must-do/see other than the coasters?

Come to think of it, I've never been to a marine theme-park before. Any suggestions?

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:58 pm

It depends what you like and everyone is going to be different.

Since you're going to SeaWorld I assume that you want to see some cool animals so check the website, decide which ones you really want to see and decide based on that.

Note that Wild Arctic and Antarctica are more of a time investment than the other animal exhibits since you need to ride a ride in both cases to see the animals inside. Both are worth doing but I'm not opposed to hopping in the "non riders" lines because the rides themselves are pretty mediocre in both cases. You're really doing it for the animal exhibits.

Unlike with Wild Arctic and Antarctica, you can see the animals from above by walking up the exit of the Turtle Trek ride if you don't want to watch the movie, but it won't have a line so you might as well. You get underwater viewing then too which is much better. Full Disclosure when reading this advice... I have a thing for Turtle Trek and might be biased. It gets me in the feels.

I highly recommend the shark aquarium and pacific point due to the limited time investment they require. They're both great... in one case because the exhibit is super cool and in the other case because they have sea lions and I mean... what else do you really need in life?

All of the shows are great, my personal favorites are Clyde and Seamore's Sea Lion High and One Ocean but your mileage may vary. You can also look into Dine with Shamu as an alternative (or addition) to One Ocean. There's all you can drink beer. It's piss beer, but it's all you can drink beer. The price is a steal since it includes unlimited (albeit mediocre) food and beer and a private orca training session.

Oh... and all of these potential upgrades are also awesome and worth looking into. I highly recommend booking one of these tours when going to SeaWorld. They're (mostly) cheap and they're really cool.

Edit: A few random tips.

- Ride Mako in the very front at least once. It's amazing.

- Journey to Atlantis will DROWN YOU (and I mean DROWN YOU) in row one. You'll be fine on the big drop, but you'll do down a tiny hill after it that looks unassuming from the path and you'll be sent immediately to destination f*cked. If you get put in this row, ask for another one unless you want to get soaked. They usually honor seat requests. If you want to get soaked, carry on.

- Speaking of which... note the Splash Zones at Clyde and Seamore's Sea Lion High. You'll probably be tempted to ignore them as you'll be wondering how a sea lion can create a splash big enough to hit you 10 rows up and the answer is that it can't but the huge water bomb that blasts out of the top of the stage can. Note the splash zones at One Ocean too, but if you need to be told that then you deserve whatever you get. :lol:

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby yay101 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:09 pm

Do you think a park like SeaWorld Orlando would add more flat rides in the future, like a Zamperla Discovery or Zamperla Endeavor? I was just wondering that now, if they would ever consider adding more flat rides, being that they are a major park with a smaller collection of rides, let alone thrill rides that aren't coasters.
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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:40 pm

If you close a bunch of rides because you're "re-evaluating the offerings" and "looking at crowd flow" in the same breath that you're discussing looking to cut operational costs, of course the closures are about trying to save money.

The problem with pointing at their additions is that their additions haven't pulled in crowds. Mako might be good, but SeaWorld Orlando had an attendance drop when it opened. Same with SeaWorld San Diego's...well...everything. Comparisons to Celebration City are nonsensical because Herschend bought their competition to purposely eliminate it. SeaWorld can't acquire anything because they're overleveraged and have no money, and they're on the verge of liquidating park assets (they're obviously eliminating rides and attractions) because they're a disaster finanically.

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby bert425 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:01 pm

coasterbill wrote:I highly recommend the shark aquarium and pacific point due to the limited time investment they require. They're both great... in one case because the exhibit is super cool and in the other case because they have sea lions and I mean... what else do you really need in life?


ditto. . and in the shark aquarium/display, don't miss the room off to the right where you can climb behind the jaws display to get this pic:

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Re: SeaWorld Orlando (SWO) Discussion Thread

Postby boldikus » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:17 pm

coasterbill wrote:- Ride Mako in the very front at least once. It's amazing.

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