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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby gerstlaueringvar » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:05 am

Might be unpopular opinion but I like the retheme of Paradise Pier. Remember the CEO is now Iger so I don’t think we need to worry about anything being cheap as it simply doesn’t happen that often in Disney anymore (Besides Hyperspace Mountain damn that thing is so cheap) Besides, everything is concept art and details of course can’t be presented through the few sketches we are seeing.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby COASTER FREAK 11 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:30 am

I think youve been looking at their projects through Rose Colored glasses. The DLR has done TONS of things that are cheap, and things that are not. Some more successful then others. But, like you said, it's only art so far, and its likely to change.

But Joey is right, this is to have something to market for when Star Wars Land opens.

Its just that is doesn't solve any problem. Its a solution, in search of a problem.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby gerstlaueringvar » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:40 am

Since this is a permanent installation, can’t think of many cases since Iger became the CEO.

Screamin’ is a huge ride with insane capacity. I think it doesn’t get that big of a line partially because it’s basically the back drop of Paradise Pier and it’s more of a standard roller coaster with a great bonus soundtrack. With the theme of The Incredibles, story and detail are added to an otherwise nothing special ride that takes up a huge amount of space and doesn’t really help with park attendance. It can help deal with the crowd at RSR and Guardians. Not to mention a themed attraction is better for selling merch anyway.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby JGuy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:44 am

gerstlaueringvar wrote:Since this is a permanent installation, can’t think of many cases since Iger became the CEO.

Screamin’ is a huge ride with insane capacity. I think it doesn’t get that big of a line partially because it’s basically the back drop and it’s more of a standard roller coaster with a great soundtrack. With the theme of The Incredibles, that actually adds story and detail to an otherwise nothing special coaster. Also help with the crowd at RSR and Guardians. Not to mention a themed attraction is better for selling merch anyway.


While I'm definitely going to reserve my judgement until the ride is open, the concept art released makes it seem like it's going to continue to lack theming during the ride itself.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby gerstlaueringvar » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:49 am

^ It’s really hard to theme a massive and naked outdoors coaster (Hulk, Dragons RIP, Flying Dinosaurs, etc). That’s why “mountains” exists. Screamin’ is to mimic a wood coaster at a boardwalk and it basically acts as a back drop of the pier so the coaster itself is a theme for the area. The main theme added would have to be in the queue anyway.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby JGuy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:58 am

gerstlaueringvar wrote:^ It’s really hard to theme a massive and naked outdoors coaster (Hulk, Dragons RIP, Flying Dinosaurs, etc). That’s why “mountains” exists. Screamin’ is to mimic a wood coaster at a boardwalk and it basically acts as a back drop of the pier so the coaster itself is a theme for the area.


The "wooden" aesthetic would be a bit out of place on a ride themed to The Incredibles.

gerstlaueringvar wrote:The main theme added would have to be in the queue anyway.


The concept art doesn't seem to suggest that they're changing much with that, either.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby COASTER FREAK 11 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:16 pm

Going off the art, there is really only posters and murals that are added to the queue. There's really not much room there to add anything substantial. And, they aren't enclosing anything. The only place, based on the art, for them to add anything would be inside the tubes themselves In the form of screens. As well, the final break/turn/and pre-station break could all be enclosed if they wanted to add anything.

This area is not visible in the art really, but the final brake does seem to have an additional tube added, that's why I'm even bringing it up.

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby ESRLoop » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:34 pm

gerstlaueringvar wrote:Might be unpopular opinion but I like the retheme of Paradise Pier. Remember the CEO is now Iger so I don’t think we need to worry about anything being cheap as it simply doesn’t happen that often in Disney anymore (Besides Hyperspace Mountain damn that thing is so cheap) Besides, everything is concept art and details of course can’t be presented through the few sketches we are seeing.


I hope it ends up being better than it looks and I'm sure the designers are going to do the best they can with the project. But given the timeline and the lackluster roll out I recognize this for what it is from TDA having seen it before. I mean DLR has done temporary overlays with a better timeline for design and roll out than this. It almost would have been better to just focus one thing for now and do a larger makeover later if that's what they feel the Pier needs, instead they are spreading their resources too thin for the budget and time frame.

I think Disney has done great in recent years with large scale projects. But smaller quick projects have been hit or miss, even under Iger (Innoventions "replacement," Starrcade/Star Trader... really anything recent in Tomorrowland except Star Tours would be great examples of this).

Like I said I hope it turns out better than it looks... I've just seen how this goes before (and how TDA gets here).

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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby laqueefa » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:39 pm

COASTER FREAK 11 wrote:Going off the art, there is really only posters and murals that are added to the queue. There's really not much room there to add anything substantial. And, they aren't enclosing anything. The only place, based on the art, for them to add anything would be inside the tubes themselves In the form of screens. As well, the final break/turn/and pre-station break could all be enclosed if they wanted to add anything.

This area is not visible in the art really, but the final brake does seem to have an additional tube added, that's why I'm even bringing it up.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/pier-2.jpg

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/pier1.jpg

I thought the same thing. Looking at the concept art, the tunnels are the only real change where they could take advantage of some projection or lighting. Too bad they will be closed over. I really liked being able to take in the view of the park at night from the 2nd lift.
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Re: Disneyland Resort (DL, DLR, DCA) Discussion Thread

Postby cal1br3tto » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:50 pm

In and of itself, I like the name "Incredicoaster." It kind of has this cute, classic, simple vibe to it, almost, like, "Why didn't anyone think of that before?" But with the theme? No thanks. California Screamin' forever!
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