Holiday Park Discussion Thread

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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby BDG » Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:06 am

The area around the SkyFly will be called Airshow '71 ...


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I think the Wave Swinger goes here...

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...and the Red Baron over here:

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And new colors for the existing Balloon Race:

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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby RyanTPM » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:42 pm

^Really like the theming going into this area, it'll look really good with the SkyFly

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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby BDG » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:05 am

Beautiful ride signs...


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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby StealthFan » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:09 am

They look fantastic! Especially love the air display scene on the Sky Fly sign.

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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby BDG » Tue May 31, 2016 3:31 pm

The park has presented its proposal for a new waterpark to the city of Hassloch.

The city has been debating whether they should renovate the existing public swimming pool, or build a new one.
Plopsa's proposal is of course for a new one, as part of a waterpark at Holiday Park.

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To clarify, this is about Plopsa including a "normal swimming pool" in its waterpark.


Plopsa / Holiday Park:

    - would pay for the construction
    - Plopsa would operate it
    - includes all future costs and renovations
    - would build on its own property

the city of Hassloch:

    - would pay €900,000 every year for the next 25 years
    - €120,000 annually from the 26th year

    - locals would only pay €6 for a day at the entire waterpark (compared to €25)
    - there would also be free parking for locals
    - locals would always have access, even when the park is full for other guests

    - income from tickets sold to locals would fully go to the city
    - the city mentions 40,000 locals visited the current swimming pool in 2014
    - if the same number of people would visit the new pool, the city would receive €224,000 from tickets
    - this reduces the annual investment from 900,000 to €676,000
    - from the 26th year they would be making a profit of €104,000 a year

    - the city currently has an annual loss of 1.6 million on the existing swimming pool
    - a major renovation would cost at least 8.5 million

some other facts:

    - the indoor park would be open year-round
    - the outdoor area from April to September
    - indoor park includes wave pool and slides, as well as a 25m competition pool, and a smaller pool for kids
    - outdoor park includes a water playground, and a second heated 25m competition pool
    - some areas themed to Maja, Heidi, Wickie, etc.
    - construction would take 28 months


Plopsa also confirmed there are plans for an indoor themepark and a hotel, both with a year-round opening in mind.


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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby Nrthwnd » Tue May 31, 2016 3:36 pm

^ So the whole thing is pretty much indoors? That looks nice. Controlled temperature, etc. :smile:
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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby BDG » Tue May 31, 2016 4:23 pm

Nrthwnd wrote:^ So the whole thing is pretty much indoors? That looks nice. Controlled temperature, etc. :smile:


Sounds like you haven't seen Plopsaland's waterpark yet? :mickey:


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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby KBrylczyk » Tue May 31, 2016 4:47 pm

At a quick glance it sounds like a pretty great deal but once you get down to the numbers it seems the town would get shafted.

900,000 Euro per year for the first 25 years paid by the town which would be tax money.
6 Euro per visit for locals.
25 Euro per visit for non-locals.

Taking that 19 Euro difference, let's do a little math to see how much it covers the tax money. They claimed that 40,000 locals visited the pool in 2014.

19 * 40,000 = 760,000

Eesh, that's no good. The town is paying an additional 140,000 Euro for a complimentary parking lot. Hardly seems worth it to me. The idea for the park is nice and would certainly be a welcome addition, but this "deal" they're offering is crap. Just make it a standard admission across the board and locals will buy a season pass if they want to go often.
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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby BDG » Tue May 31, 2016 6:09 pm

KBrylczyk wrote:At a quick glance it sounds like a pretty great deal but once you get down to the numbers it seems the town would get shafted.

May I suggest you take a longer glance? :p
Because you're missing some key details.

1) The city's current swimming pool costs €6 as well. That's why the deal mentions €6. You're suggesting a 300% increase?

2) Without the city's investment, Plopsa probably won't build a swimming pool. They would probably still build a waterpark, yes, but not a swimming pool. The deal is about a regular old swimming pool for lane swimming. For schools and stuff.

3) The city would pay ~600,000 euro annually for this deal, which is a bargain considering they currently pay 1.6 million for an outdated complex in need of an 8.5 million renovation.
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Re: Holiday Park Discussion Thread

Postby KBrylczyk » Tue May 31, 2016 6:32 pm

How are they taking a 1.6 million Euro loss on an old pool? You're right and I should have dug a bit deeper, that just sounds a bit too much to me.
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