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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby Mr. Corn » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:14 pm

^Do they usually only run 1 train on Phoenix and Twister? Kind of seems to destroy the fact that they have the fastest operations in North America, with the fact that once the train leaves, you have to wait 1:30 till it gets back and the car reloads
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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby SkyToro » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:15 pm

I visit Knoebels at least once a season and I've only ever seen 1 train ops once or twice (one time being last year on Phoenix when they could only run 1 due to the new safety system they were working on). Still super interesting to see how they transfer on Twister. Makes you wonder what the procedure is on Phoenix and if it's similar.
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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby El Toro_Ryan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:22 am

Mr. Corn wrote:^Do they usually only run 1 train on Phoenix and Twister? Kind of seems to destroy the fact that they have the fastest operations in North America, with the fact that once the train leaves, you have to wait 1:30 till it gets back and the car reloads


More often than not, the park only runs one train. But they really only need to run one train most days due to short lines and the park's fast load times. Watching them run two trains is quite the site, it's like watching a coaster in Roller Coaster Tycoon set to 10 second load times lol

SkyToro wrote:I visit Knoebels at least once a season and I've only ever seen 1 train ops once or twice (one time being last year on Phoenix when they could only run 1 due to the new safety system they were working on). Still super interesting to see how they transfer on Twister. Makes you wonder what the procedure is on Phoenix and if it's similar.


I know GCI recently rebuilt Phoenix's transfer table and it is all automated now. But I believe in the past, the employees had to push the track as well just like with Twister.
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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby boldikus » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:08 am

Mr. Corn wrote:^Do they usually only run 1 train on Phoenix and Twister? Kind of seems to destroy the fact that they have the fastest operations in North America, with the fact that once the train leaves, you have to wait 1:30 till it gets back and the car reloads


When you have 20 second dispatches it doesn't matter.


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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:43 am

Mr. Corn wrote:^Do they usually only run 1 train on Phoenix and Twister? Kind of seems to destroy the fact that they have the fastest operations in North America, with the fact that once the train leaves, you have to wait 1:30 till it gets back and the car reloads

Yes, one-train operations are the norm, and they often don't even consider bringing the second train on until the early afternoon at the earliest. I actually prefer one-train operations as it means I can leave my bag on the platform without worrying about someone from the other train taking it.

During two-train operations, they release Twister's train 2 when the other train makes it past the first bowl spiral, and for Phoenix, they release train 2 when the other one makes it over the top of the double-up. When you stand in Phoenix's station, you can hear when the train hits the anti-rollback device on the top of the double-up, that's their auditory cue (unless it's automated now). Once the rhythm is established they start revolving those trains like clockwork.
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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby Jason Maier » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:39 pm

boldikus wrote:
Mr. Corn wrote:^Do they usually only run 1 train on Phoenix and Twister? Kind of seems to destroy the fact that they have the fastest operations in North America, with the fact that once the train leaves, you have to wait 1:30 till it gets back and the car reloads


When you have 20 second dispatches it doesn't matter.


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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby MisterBrow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:16 pm

Now if we could combine that with an extra 10 seconds to collect and hold my fluffy fluffy bunnies filled with medicine and goo... we have solved a first world problem.
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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby ajfelice » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:56 pm

I witnessed the rare two-train operation for the first time this past weekend. It is amazing how fast Knoebels gets their trains in and out of the station so quickly. They get trains out so fast, that at first glance you think only one train is running as the station is waiting for the second to even make it to the brake run. Take out seat belts, do away with article bins that cause congestion, and little active enforcement of a loose article policy all make their dispatch times possible. The less restrictive operation policy for operators also helps as it appears their operators have little boundaries when it comes to proper track crossing and sequence of checking restraints. Works great for a smaller operation like Knoebels, but would be absurd to expect in most chain parks.

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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby I Like Theme Parks. » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:13 pm

Our family had our Fall trip to Knoebels on Saturday. The park was packed and there were some long lines, even for some of the flat rides that don't attract that many people, but that was fine since the operations were great (the line for Phoenix got backed up all the way to the gift shop across the midway and it only took 10-15 minutes) and I mainly focused on smaller rides I haven't tried yet in my 6 prior visits to the park. We got a ton of food, including cesari's, pumpkin ice cream, apple cider slush, and a near-lethal amount of potato with perogies, potato cakes, and fries. The cheap spooky theming was on point of course. Rides:

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Re: Knoebels Discussion Thread

Postby cal1br3tto » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:32 pm

^Merry Mixer is a Garbrick Merry Mixer. It's definitely a bit weaker than a Scrambler. Sounds like an awesome visit; I can't imagine skipping some of those rides, but you don't have to do everything at Knoebels in order to have an amazing visit that feels complete. I still haven't ridden some of the flats that I always "figure I will someday," because their top-tier rides and rare classics are more compelling than some of their generic ones.

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Gotta love old-school train transfers. It's always a treat to see something like that in person.
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