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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby Jew » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:11 pm

Just to clarify:

Mayor publicly announces support for redevelopment, writes a letter backing your bond proposal, negotiates a settlement with Six Flags (which was finalized in December of 2009)...and yet somehow, the deal couldn't get done. Yup. It's all the cities fault for publicly supporting the project while waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is in the form of that bond which would have made it worthwhile for them to lease the park to you.

I got news for you: promising to pay for security and a minimum of a $10 million investment in exchange for $1/guest rent is NOT a good deal for the city. If you sent THIS SAME LETTER to Mayor Nagin, it's a damn good thing he didn't sign it.

Speaking of money, how the hell could you not get $500,000 because "the mayor wouldn't sign some paperwork", Yet talk about offering $12.5 million to buy the park only a few months after walking away from the bond proposal?
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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby stingrock23 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:00 pm

This thread will never, ever die.

It needs to die just like this park did back on August 29, 2005.
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Postby Jew » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:35 pm

This thread is great for comedic value.

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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby spaceace12 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:33 pm

Serious question to Danny.....

After being down in New Orleans area three times in the past two years I noticed a few things, do you think the area population can support a park (which I believe it can't) and if not, how do you plan on draw people in and support a park that failed once due to financials and once because of natural disasters and from where there doesn't have the need for a theme park already filled. Also, if you do somehow miraculously manage to get it up, how do you plan on protecting the park from future flooding?

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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby Ccron10 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:56 pm

I have a question.
The park has been in the same condition exposed to the elements for almost 5 and a half years now. Some of the rides have been moved out, and things are falling apart. Wouldn't it just be easier and cheaper at this point to just buy a plot of land at a different location start from scratch? Jazzland/ Six Flags New Orleans hasn't had a very long life to make it historic, but don't you think that it's time to just put the park to rest and let it fade into history?
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Postby robbalvey » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:31 am

Serious question to Danny.....

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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby BeemerBoy » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:49 am

Serious question to Danny: Have you met Kat Jones?
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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby danny622 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:21 am

This is the last time I will go over this with you, I told you I would be willing to answer your questions. I did not say I would put up with abuse. I am open to your ideas and yes some criticism as I know I am not perfect, however I will remind all of you that I am the one doing the work (my company) taking the risks and spending our money to try and save the park. So please again be civil.

You know there will always be a lot of he-said she-said when it comes to what happened. I can tell you my version, and the public facts that anybody can look up for themselves, and you can decide for yourselves. When we had the press conference, we had to actually threaten to do it without Nagin before he'd even agree to put us on the IDB agenda, and he publicly said it was a Nickelodeon property. Six Flags still had the lease but was going through bankruptcy. We repeatedly asked for discussions about what our lease terms would be and they kept saying "when we're done with Six Flags, we'll talk to you". We went to the IDB on blind faith that we would get the property, but even the IDB brought up the issue that how could they approve the bonds when we didn't have control yet. The Nickelodeon folks had to stand up and state their case, and even then, 2 IDB members voted no. We had a deadline in our contract with Nickelodeon that said we had to have control of the property by a certain date. The mayor knew this because they insisted on having a copy before they'd okay us for the IDB (apparently Nickelodeon meeting with them and telling them on the phone wasn't good enough). I know we're ashamed at how the city and state treated them, it was embarrassing. They are good people and a great company, and the city and state should have been bending over backwards the way they did for the steel mill, chicken or sweet potato plant instead of insulting them. Even the department of economic development at the state level said that since they weren't competing with another state to get them, there wasn't anything they could do to help.

When it came time for the state bond meeting, we were all there in the basement of the state capital, right outside the meeting room. The mayor had yet to put anything in writing that we'd ever get the property, Six Flags still had control, and we were past the deadline in the contract. We were told that someone from the mayor's office would be there to voice their support of the project, but they didn't show. Everybody was in agreement, but I made the call to pull our name from the agenda. I was going to wait until the November meeting. As everybody here knows, the PR folks were in charge of everything that was said, and I wasn't posting anything, so we had to live with all the things that were being said without being able to tell our side of things. Anybody that knows me knows how hard that was for me. A week later, we got a letter from the mayor's office that said they were pulling their support of the project because we didn't go to the state meeting the week before. Nickelodeon was copied on the letter. The next day the contract was terminated because we didn't have control of the property. I tried to fight it because I knew what it would mean for the city and I hated seeing such a great opportunity wasted. A month or so later, in December 2009, the city finally got control of the property. It has been sitting without any security whatsoever ever since. You can say "well court things just take time", and yes, you'd be right. But you can also look up all the court records and see that the city never filed anything in the bankruptcy case. Six Flags did all the filings. The city didn't even make any claims that creditors can make about monies owed. Even then, there was no valid reason not to discuss terms with us or put something in writing guaranteeing us the lease. I'll leave it up to you as to why it all ended up the way it did.

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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby danny622 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:00 pm

spaceace12 wrote:Serious question to Danny.....

After being down in New Orleans area three times in the past two years I noticed a few things, do you think the area population can support a park (which I believe it can't) and if not, how do you plan on draw people in and support a park that failed once due to financials and once because of natural disasters and from where there doesn't have the need for a theme park already filled. Also, if you do somehow miraculously manage to get it up, how do you plan on protecting the park from future flooding?


A few facts may help answer your question. The park that was in Houston Texas (Six Flags) is now gone opening a wider area to draw from. Next while the population of New Orleans its self is not all the way back there are now more people living in our target market then ever before and the areas are growing fast! As far as drawing in folks come on man its NEW ORLEANS site of the Super Bowl in 2013. LOL You ask a good question and I could go over tons of reports with you showing it will work, by experts that are paid to know.

As to flooding the area has new flood walls being put in place that should protect it and we are (or will) take other actions to protect the park while rebuilding. There is no way to ever fully protect it as it stands true for almost all of New Orleans.

Adding more rides,shows as well as a Water Park will also push the numbers up. I hope that this in some small way answers your question.

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Re: SFNO/Southern Star Saga Discussion Thread

Postby OldJJman » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:23 pm

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